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Old 06-29-2015, 02:58 PM  
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"Alex Smith makes your defense better"
Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

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Old 07-23-2015, 03:31 PM   #301
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Moncrief - 444 yards and 3 TDs
Nicks - 405 yards and 4 TDs
Wayne - 779 yards and 2 TDs
And a top 10 WR named T.Y. Hilton is missing from this because? He's pretty outstanding. You should check him out.
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:36 PM   #302
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TY Hilton is not a top 10 WR.
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:38 PM   #303
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That what I'm talking about. You'll try and rationalize your beliefs by saying just about anything.

TY Hilton a top 10 WR? Reggie Wayne's 53 year old corpse? Nicks? Really?
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:39 PM   #304
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:39 PM   #305
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And a top 10 WR named T.Y. Hilton is missing from this because? He's pretty outstanding. You should check him out.
These guys are often top 10 WRs because you have top notch QBs throwing to them. Many of them are not even close to top 10 behind a bad QB. Different from a guy like AJ Green who can make a bad QB look good.
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:40 PM   #306
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TY Hilton is not a top 10 WR.
He doesn't comprehend that QBs can actually make WRs look better than what they are
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QBs make receivers not the other way around. Look at the guys getting propped up.in Pile High.
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Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, and Cam Newton could all arguable fit the bill in 2014.

Russell Wilson fit the bill at certain points through the 2014 season as well.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career.

Andrew Luck could fit the bill in 2012 and 2013, arguably 2014 as well although their offensive line seemed to get better last season.
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These guys are often top 10 WRs because you have top notch QBs throwing to them. Many of them are not even close to top 10 behind a bad QB. Different from a guy like AJ Green who can make a bad QB look good.


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He doesn't comprehend that QBs can actually make WRs look better than what they are

Something else that these 9ers trolls are completely oblivious to.

Crabtree, Bowe, Manningham, Moss, Avery, Brandon Lloyd? All just a bunch of lazy ****s with Alex throwing them the ball.

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Old 07-23-2015, 03:48 PM   #310
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.. and you still can't read, it seems. Rodgers had consistent scheme and excellent WRs on his side. Manning has excellent weapons also. Big Ben has had some very good weapons at his disposal as well. Most if not all the QBs you mention are regarded as elite QBs.. being compared to Alex, who no one claims is elite.
You say I can't read. But gloss over that I said Rodgers won a Super Bowl with his entire WR corps dinged up. He's usually had a bad OL. Manning has had many years with really dinged up WRs and OL. His final years in Indy, his supporting cast was atrocious and his OL was one of the worst in the league. You keep commenting about how great these OLs and WRs are... did you ever stop to think that these WRs are racking up huge seasons because they're playing with an elite QB? How good was Santonio outside of Pittsburgh? Has Wallace looked anything close to a true #1? Did you see how well Denver's dinged up OL played against KC 2 years ago? Because Peyton specifically designed an offense to get rid of the ball lightning fast.

I agree that it's unfair to compare him to the elites. But you asked what QB and the elite / almost elites have been around long enough to do well no matter what the supporting cast.

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As for Brees, he holds the same record as Alex as of late.. 10-12. Why is Brees not overcoming his team deficiencies? Where are the SB rings for these guys lately?
Umm... Maybe because he's 36? He did win a playoff game just 2 years ago.

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You guys can think what you want of the "49ers" fans here.. you can slurp up whatever random crap guys like Sorter throw out there, but you still can not reasonably debate what it is that I am stating.

You can't seem to grasp the simple conclusion that good/great QBs can overcome a deficient OL or WR group alone... but not combined... and yet you expect Alex to? That's just going full potato.
Alex Smith had an absolute shit OL and WR group at the end of 2013. Even worse in the Colts playoff game. As I've said over and over, he problem is in Alex's head. He's choosing to manage games instead of attacking. And when he manages games, he makes his OL and WRs worse.
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QBs make receivers not the other way around. Look at the guys getting propped up.in Pile High.
So why then is a QB like Brees getting a 1st rd WR in Cooks? Why does Rodgers get a 2nd rd WR in Adams and Jordy? Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per? Why is Brady getting 2nd rd WR Dobson? Matty Ice needs his team to move up for Julio Jones in the top 10? Why does Denver need to bring in Emmanuel Sanders? Why retain Demaryius Thomas at such high cost? Can Romo not live without Dez, for them to pay him that much? Why pay Antonio Brown an average of 8 mil per?

The questions go on. I mean, if these QBs can make any receiver look good... how can they justify these resources?

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.
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They have totally taken my enjoyment of watching the game of football away from me. I wish he'd get caught raping a midget tree sloth so we could move on. The excuse crap is unbelievable. This team is now without excuses, if Alex even fails a little its 100% on him.
Absolutely. However, 9-7 is so much better than 2-14. Since we get ****ed and have an OT #1 anyways.
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So why then is a QB like Brees getting a 1st rd WR in Cooks? Why does Rodgers get a 2nd rd WR in Adams and Jordy? Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per? Why is Brady getting 2nd rd WR Dobson? Matty Ice needs his team to move up for Julio Jones in the top 10? Why does Denver need to bring in Emmanuel Sanders? Why retain Demaryius Thomas at such high cost? Can Romo not live without Dez, for them to pay him that much? Why pay Antonio Brown an average of 8 mil per?

The questions go on. I mean, if these QBs can make any receiver look good... how can they justify these resources?

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.
Because these teams have to win by scoring a bazillion points. The Chiefs are just trying to score 20.
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So why then is a QB like Brees getting a 1st rd WR in Cooks? Why does Rodgers get a 2nd rd WR in Adams and Jordy? Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per? Why is Brady getting 2nd rd WR Dobson? Matty Ice needs his team to move up for Julio Jones in the top 10? Why does Denver need to bring in Emmanuel Sanders? Why retain Demaryius Thomas at such high cost? Can Romo not live without Dez, for them to pay him that much? Why pay Antonio Brown an average of 8 mil per?

The questions go on. I mean, if these QBs can make any receiver look good... how can they justify these resources?

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.
Why do all of those guys succeed? How come none of them Baldwin?
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"TY Hilton is a top 10 receiver"

"No he isn't"

"Name 15 receivers better than Hilton then"
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