****OFFICIAL Royals at Blue Jays GDT 08/02****

[RealSNR]

Time to take a catheter and shove it up their Dickey!

Game start: 12:07 central

KC: Volquez (10-5, 3.21)
TOR: Dickey (5-10, 4.27)

Go Royals!


Royals
Escobar
Zobrist
Cain
Hosmer
Morales
Perez
Rios
Cuthbert
Infante

Blue Jays
Tulowitzki
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Colabello
Martin
Pillar
Goins
Revere

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Have you ever thrown a changeup?

If you'd ever thrown a changeup, you'd know why not.

No. Stop being an ass an explain it then.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by bricks

Yes.

And we gave them a dosage of our medicine that left a bad taste in their mouths.

And the rest????

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

No. Stop being an ass an explain it then.

Do you really not understand why a changeup is not the pitch someone is going to use to intentionally hit someone? I am being serious, not trying to condescend.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Do you really not understand why a changeup is not the pitch someone is going to use to intentionally hit someone? I am being serious, not trying to condescend.

Yes. If the ump isn't going to throw someone out for a changeup, then I would have to wonder why pitchers aren't utilizing pitches, other than a fastball, for this purpose. Especially if they throw it in the mid-80s and around the head area.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Yes. If the ump isn't going to throw someone out for a change up, then I would have to wonder why pitchers aren't utilizing pitches other than a fastball for this purpose. Especially if they throw it in the mid-80s and around the head area.

Because Pitchers don't intentionally bean people with a change up??? It's a lot easier to control a fastball...which is why no one intentionally throws an offspeed pitch at someone

[petegz28]

And I didn't hear any whining then they threw at Infante's head on Saturday

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I missed the game yesterday (at my grandma's 80th) but caught up this morning over coffee and breakfast...

Anyone who thinks you're trying to hit a guy intentionally with a changeup is an idiot...

Anyone who thinks you're intentionally hitting a guy on the 7th pitch of an at-bat in the late innings of a close game is an idiot...

The pitch Madson threw that almost hit Donaldson WAS an inside fastball, made more inside by: 1) Donaldson being 5-8; 2) Donaldson crowding the plate; 3) Donaldson diving in to every pitch. If that had hit him, he would have been run, and I wouldn't have complained. It would have been in line.

Donaldson's reaction - and the way he showed up the umpire - was out of line, though. And isn't going to win him any fans among that fraternity.

Donaldson was embarrassing and I cannot believe the ump had the restraint to NOT throw him out of the game. It was awful. Almost as embarrassing as Hamas showing up to tell us how terrible everything was without even watching the ****ing game and understanding the context of the situation.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Because Pitchers don't intentionally bean people with a change up??? It's a lot easier to control a fastball...which is why no one intentionally throws an offspeed pitch at someone

I'm sure it is harder to control, but Volquez had to be unconventional in order to stay in the game. He had Donaldson in a situation where he could afford to throw at him again, and I'm not convinced he didn't.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

I'm sure it is harder to control, but Volquez had to be unconventional in order to stay in the game. He had Donaldson in a situation where he could afford to throw at him again, and I'm not convinced he didn't.

You're reaching bad....

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Donaldson was embarrassing and I cannot believe the ump had the restraint to NOT throw him out of the game. It was awful.

Agreed,his little bat flip would've been the final straw for me,your ass is officially run.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

Agreed,his little bat flip would've been the final straw for me,your ass is officially run.

He should have been tossed after he delayed the game in the Madson at bat ... that was flat out ridiculous. But I commend the ump for keeping his cool and letting him stay in the game. Whatever. He DEFINITELY should have been tossed after Hoch got the strike 3 call on a borderline pitch in the 8th. That was disgusting, and the fact the ump didn't toss him for his little cry baby fit there was ridiculous restraint. The only reason I can think of him not being tossed was because the ump didn't want to deal with 15 minutes of Donaldson throwing water coolers and equipment on the field.

[Hootie]

I liked Volquez before, I like him even more now for calling it the way it was ... he was exactly right. Donaldson cried all game like a little baby. Embarrassing behavior.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

No. Stop being an ass an explain it then.

Sorry, the assertion is so ridiculous I couldn't help but be incredulous.

Reasons you would not try to hit somebody with a change-up (or any breaking pitch/off-speed pitch):

1) Control of the pitch. To hit someone, you need very fiinite command of a pitch. Because all off-speed/breaking pitches are designed to move based on spin and rotation of the laces, it is too difficult to predict exactly how much break you're going to get on a pitch when you throw it.

2) Changeups can't be thrown that way on purpose. The only way to throw a circle change, what Volquez utilizes, up and in like that is to have the grip slip and the pitch get away from you.

Normal action on any changeup, but especially any circle change, is typically going to be down and in.

The main thing is control and predictability. You know how much run a two-seam fastball or four-seam fastball from a pitcher is typically going to have. If you're trying to drill, you're going to do it with a pitch you can control, first.

There's also the matter of the difference in the way it feels. Wearing a pitch thrown at 95-96 is going to hurt, no matter what.

In the low 80s (like most sliders, curveballs, and changeups)? If you take that off a piece of body armor (like an elbow pad), you're not even going to have a bruise in some cases.

[Hootie]

(which is why Jim Wolf didn't toss Volquez after warning him ... because he has been in the game long enough to know NOBODY throws a ****ing change up at someone like that.)

if that was a fastball, mistake or not, Volquez is immediately tossed. No questions asked.

Again, there is a reason NO Royals were tossed last game.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Sorry, the assertion is so ridiculous I couldn't help but be incredulous.

Reasons you would not try to hit somebody with a change-up (or any breaking pitch/off-speed pitch):

1) Control of the pitch. To hit someone, you need very fiinite command of a pitch. Because all off-speed/breaking pitches are designed to move based on spin and rotation of the laces, it is too difficult to predict exactly how much break you're going to get on a pitch when you throw it.

2) Changeups can't be thrown that way on purpose. The only way to throw a circle change, what Volquez utilizes, up and in like that is to have the grip slip and the pitch get away from you.

Normal action on any changeup, but especially any circle change, is typically going to be down and in.

The main thing is control and predictability. You know how much run a two-seam fastball or four-seam fastball from a pitcher is typically going to have. If you're trying to drill, you're going to do it with a pitch you can control, first.

There's also the matter of the difference in the way it feels. Wearing a pitch thrown at 95-96 is going to hurt, no matter what.

In the low 80s (like most sliders, curveballs, and changeups)? If you take that off a piece of body armor (like an elbow pad), you're not even going to have a bruise in some cases.

Great, informative response. Thanks. Even though it appears that Volquez was not head hunting, still interesting me that there is a way to go after a player's head and have the entire baseball world dismiss it. Even if not easily controlled, off-speed head hunting seems like it could be exploited.