Fantasy Football Russel Wilson and Friends agree to deal. - Page 24

Mr_Tomahawk · 07-31-2015, 07:46 AM

Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have agreed to a 4-year, $87.6-million extension, per source.

— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) July 31, 2015

vailpass · 08-03-2015, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Dane. If they cut him after the season, he gets that $11M that is due to him in April. No matter what. It's a 1 year, $31.7M contract NO MATTER WHAT.

Please tell me how it isn't.

HOW MUCH MONEY WILL HE MAKE IF HE PLAYS THIS SEASON AND GETS CUT BY THE TEAM BEFORE 2016?

Just answer that for me. Don't bullshit around it ... answer me THIS very simple question.

If Russell Wilson is cut after the 2015 season. The day after. Literally, THE DAY AFTER. How much money will the Seahawks have paid him for the 2015 season?

...?

I haven't read the K but it sounds from what you say here that the $31 is guaranteed. If they cut him is there guaranteed $ for that as well?

ThaVirus · 08-03-2015, 10:45 AM

Minutiae again.

You both have a technical claim to being "right" so I predict another drawn out pissing match in which we all lose.

**Rausch** · 08-03-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Dane. If they cut him after the season, he gets that $11M that is due to him in April. No matter what. It's a 1 year, $31.7M contract NO MATTER WHAT.

Please tell me how it isn't.

HOW MUCH MONEY WILL HE MAKE IF HE PLAYS THIS SEASON AND GETS CUT BY THE TEAM BEFORE 2016?

Just answer that for me. Don't bullshit around it ... answer me THIS very simple question.

If Russell Wilson is cut after the 2015 season. The day after. Literally, THE DAY AFTER. How much money will the Seahawks have paid him for the 2015 season?

...?

Point made.

You do understand that "guaranteed" can be restructured, right?...

ThaVirus · 08-03-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

I haven't read the K but it sounds from what you say here that the $31 is guaranteed. If they cut him is there guaranteed $ for that as well?

He gets $31 million 100% guaranteed as a signing bonus. He'll get $20 mil of that this year and the additional $11 mil next April.

His contract contains some more guaranteed money if he stays on the roster at certain points over the life of the contract. For example, if he's still on the roster by the fifth league day of the 2016 and 2017 seasons, he'll be guaranteed another portion of his contract. Technically, those numbers aren't guaranteed now because they could cut him prior to the dates and keep the money, however unlikely.

Another thing to note: his contract contains $60 mil in guarantees to injuries. So, as I mentioned, if they decide to cut him, say, after the 2015 season, he'll only see the $31 signing bonus and $700,000 salary (that's the $31.7 number being thrown around) for the season, but if he gets injured at any time throughout his contract and can't play, he'll receive an additional $29 mil to make the total of guaranteed money $60 mil.

(I think that about covers it)

Hootie · 08-03-2015, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Point made.

You do understand that "guaranteed" can be restructured, right?...

?

I have no idea where you are getting at.

All I know are the following things:

1) Russell Wilson will make $31.7M, no matter what, for 1 year of playing time in 2015. If they cut him after this season, he makes $31.7M. That's guaranteed. Thus, the way they are interpreting the contract, it's a 1 year, $31.7M contract.

2) If Russell Wilson is on the Seahawks on the 1st day of the new league year in 2016, he'll make another $12.34M GUARANTEED, no matter what. So when people are wording this as a 5 year, $89.5M deal with $31.7M guaranteed they are 100% incorrect. They are manipulating the contract to a ridiculous extent.

3) ***AND THIS IS THE MAJOR ONE***

THERE IS LITERALLY NO ****ING WAY IN THIS WORLD THAT RUSSELL WILSON WILL BE CUT BY THE SEAHAWKS FOLLOWING THIS SEASON. NO WAY. IT ISN'T POSSIBLE. HE COULD LITERALLY RAY RICE TWO BITCHES IN AN ELEVATOR AND THE HAWKS STILL WOULDN'T CUT HIM.

So, you know, instead of Dane just admitting, "meh. I got this one wrong."

It turned into this. Because, you know, Dane.

Hootie · 08-03-2015, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Dane. If they cut him after the season, he gets that $11M that is due to him in April. No matter what. It's a 1 year, $31.7M contract NO MATTER WHAT.

Please tell me how it isn't.

HOW MUCH MONEY WILL HE MAKE IF HE PLAYS THIS SEASON AND GETS CUT BY THE TEAM BEFORE 2016?

Just answer that for me. Don't bullshit around it ... answer me THIS very simple question.

If Russell Wilson is cut after the 2015 season. The day after. Literally, THE DAY AFTER. How much money will the Seahawks have paid him for the 2015 season?

...?

I eagerly await your reply.

vailpass · 08-03-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

He gets $31 million 100% guaranteed as a signing bonus. He'll get $20 mil of that this year and the additional $11 mil next April.

His contract contains some more guaranteed money if he stays on the roster at certain points over the life of the contract. For example, if he's still on the roster by the fifth league day of the 2016 and 2017 seasons, he'll be guaranteed another portion of his contract. Technically, those numbers aren't guaranteed now because they could cut him prior to the dates and keep the money, however unlikely.

Another thing to note: his contract contains $60 mil in guarantees to injuries. So, as I mentioned, if they decide to cut him, say, after the 2015 season, he'll only see the $31 signing bonus and $700,000 salary (that's the $31.7 number being thrown around) for the season, but if he gets injured at any time throughout his contract and can't play, he'll receive an additional $29 mil to make the total of guaranteed money $60 mil.

(I think that about covers it)

Thanks. So if they cut him within the allotted time frame provided he wasn't injured they wouldn't have to pay him anything beyond the $31M?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-03-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I eagerly await your reply.

No one is disputing that fact.

What I AM disputing is your claim that he's guaranteed to earn $31 million this year, which is clearly not the case.

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

This $31.7M guaranteed you're tossing around is hilarious, though. He makes that THIS YEAR, alone. So it's a 1 year, brand new deal if that's really how you're looking at it. You do realize that, right?

Actually, no. He receives $20 million as a signing bonus this year and a $11.7 million next year. Awesome dough for him and he's set for life, but no.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13...attle-seahawks

He's also been a bargain for Seattle. The 2015 season was the first time Wilson was scheduled to make more than $1 million. That's now just $700,000 in base salary for 2015 with a $31 million signing bonus -- $20 million now and the other $11 million next April.

Once again, $20.7 million is awesome dough, but it's not $31 million.

**Rausch** · 08-03-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

?

I have no idea where you are getting at.

If he were to agree to a new contract in the future (extension) they could augment that guaranteed money...

Hootie · 08-03-2015, 11:12 AM

Dane. He gets $31.7M no matter what. For 1 year of play. If they cut him, he played on a 1 year deal for $31.7M.

How are you not getting this? You really can't be this dumb, can you?

**Rausch** · 08-03-2015, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Dane. He gets $31.7M no matter what. For 1 year of play. If they cut him, he played on a 1 year deal for $31.7M.

How are you not getting this? You really can't be this dumb, can you?

He's only paid that if the worst happens.

Hootie · 08-03-2015, 11:16 AM

This is the funniest thing I've ever argued in my life.

Russell Wilson is guaranteed $31.7M to play for the Seahawks in 2015. It's simply not debatable.

He is guaranteed nothing beyond that. However, if he's on the Hawks on the 5th day of the new league year in 2016, he is guaranteed another $12.5M.

So, if you want to say that Russell Wilson signed a contract for $31.7M, you have to say that he agreed to a brand new deal that was a 1 year, $31.7M contract.

Because the only way he ONLY makes $31.7M is if he is cut before the 2016 season.

This isn't debatable. This is fact.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-03-2015, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Dane. He gets $31.7M no matter what. For 1 year of play. If they cut him, he played on a 1 year deal for $31.7M.

How are you not getting this? You really can't be this dumb, can you?

You specifically said "This year".

You're the guy that's always arguing semantics to "win" a conversation and in no world is Russell Wilson receiving $31.7 million dollars to play for the Seattle Seahawks in 2015, in 2015.

**Rausch** · 08-03-2015, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

This is the funniest thing I've ever argued in my life.

Russell Wilson is guaranteed $31.7M to play for the Seahawks in 2015. It's simply not debatable.

He is guaranteed nothing beyond that. However, if he's on the Hawks on the 5th day of the new league year in 2016, he is guaranteed another $12.5M.

So, if you want to say that Russell Wilson signed a contract for $31.7M, you have to say that he agreed to a brand new deal that was a 1 year, $31.7M contract.

Because the only way he ONLY makes $31.7M is if he is cut before the 2016 season.

This isn't debatable. This is fact.

I'm pretty sure we all get that.

For a franchise QB that's a pittance...

ThaVirus · 08-03-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Thanks. So if they cut him within the allotted time frame provided he wasn't injured they wouldn't have to pay him anything beyond the $31M?

That is correct.

They'd be absolutely wrecking their cap in the process of losing a Super Bowl champion QB with no heir apparent on the roster, though, so there's approximately .00000000000000001% chance of that happening.

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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Dane. He gets $31.7M no matter what. For 1 year of play. If they cut him, he played on a 1 year deal for $31.7M. How are you not getting this? You really can't be this dumb, can you?
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08-03-2015, 11:16 AM	#357
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	This is the funniest thing I've ever argued in my life. Russell Wilson is guaranteed $31.7M to play for the Seahawks in 2015. It's simply not debatable. He is guaranteed nothing beyond that. However, if he's on the Hawks on the 5th day of the new league year in 2016, he is guaranteed another $12.5M. So, if you want to say that Russell Wilson signed a contract for $31.7M, you have to say that he agreed to a brand new deal that was a 1 year, $31.7M contract. Because the only way he ONLY makes $31.7M is if he is cut before the 2016 season. This isn't debatable. This is fact.
Posts: 56,356