Royals ****OFFICIAL Royals at Blue Jays GDT 08/02**** - Page 66

**RealSNR** · 09:57 AM

Time to take a catheter and shove it up their Dickey!

Game start: 12:07 central

KC: Volquez (10-5, 3.21)
TOR: Dickey (5-10, 4.27)

Go Royals!

Royals
Escobar
Zobrist
Cain
Hosmer
Morales
Perez
Rios
Cuthbert
Infante

Blue Jays
Tulowitzki
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Colabello
Martin
Pillar
Goins
Revere

TomBarndtsTwin · 08-04-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

Mostly some of the board Cardinals fans. They seem to pop up out of nowhere and start shit on their high horse. Their baseball team means a lot to them and we're all dumb asses.

Well, in all fairness, they are 'the best fans in baseball' . . . . .

duncan_idaho · 08-04-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Donaldson was as pissed at the umpire as he was anyone else - he got hit (clearly intentionally) and then after warnings were issued a teammate got hit again and he got buzzed twice with no response from the ump. That's going to frustrate the guy.

Royals fans at the beginning of the year (and you just now) use cumulative HBP figures as justification for your ire and yet you ignore the fact that in game Donaldson had been beaned and then buzzed twice. That's going to piss you off - period. You can't very well say "well Gordo got hit 3 times last month so he's right to be angry" and then ignore Donaldson's frustration.

I understand why Donaldson would be pissed just as I understand why the Royals would be nonplussed. It's just friggen absurd that Royals fans that have been crying all season about being targeted are now going to tell anybody to brush it off.

The Royals and their fans damn sure haven't shown a willingness to do so.

He might have been pissed about the ump letting him get "buzzed," but it's not realistic to expect an umpire to eject a guy for throwing a changeup that rides up and in (because that clearly is a mistake pitch that got away).

And the Madson pitch, it's about the situation. Two on, two strike count, no pitcher is trying to hit ANYBODY on purpose in that situation. It makes no baseball sense in a two-run game.

Neither of those pitches makes sense as an intentional HBP. Just like the 7th pitch of the AB to Tulo doesn't make sense as an intentional HBP.

That's why the Royals weren't run.

Sanchez throwing a pitch inside and missing Escobar and following that up with a second pitch that ran to the middle of the batters box, even further in? Apparently Wolf saw intent there, likely from whatever he heard or saw Sanchez say/do as he walked towards him.

tk13 · 08-04-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Donaldson was as pissed at the umpire as he was anyone else - he got hit (clearly intentionally) and then after warnings were issued a teammate got hit again and he got buzzed twice with no response from the ump. That's going to frustrate the guy.

Royals fans at the beginning of the year (and you just now) use cumulative HBP figures as justification for your ire and yet you ignore the fact that in game Donaldson had been beaned and then buzzed twice. That's going to piss you off - period. You can't very well say "well Gordo got hit 3 times last month so he's right to be angry" and then ignore Donaldson's frustration.

I understand why Donaldson would be pissed just as I understand why the Royals would be nonplussed. It's just friggen absurd that Royals fans that have been crying all season about being targeted are now going to tell anybody to brush it off.

The Royals and their fans damn sure haven't shown a willingness to do so.

Okay, mighty Cardinals fan, maybe you can explain why Madson would hit Donaldson to load the bases in a two run game. Nobody else has been able to give a good explanation. Why? Because you're all trying to be drama queens, just like Donaldson.
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**Dartgod** · 08-04-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is the shit the Royals have been involved in ALL SEASON...

So, we had a few incidents early in the season and then nothing until this past Sunday.

ALL SEASON!!!!!!!11111111ONEONE

Right...

tk13 · 08-04-2015, 10:49 AM

This is the most Cardinals thing ever. Best fans in baseball! Coming in here making all kinds of generalizations that are completely out of context and acting like they're above it all, when their team is just as likely as anyone to retaliate against someone. What a load of crap.

C3HIEF3S · 08-04-2015, 10:50 AM

It's funny to see the Royals' actions offending so many people, especially Cardinals fans even who have had nothing to do with anything we've done this year. Sorry we are such a big issue in all of your lives.

Edit: actually, no I'm not sorry at all.

DJ's left nut · 08-04-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He might have been pissed about the ump letting him get "buzzed," but it's not realistic to expect an umpire to eject a guy for throwing a changeup that rides up and in (because that clearly is a mistake pitch that got away).

Let's remember though - that's the point of a changeup. When Donaldson spun out of the box and looked at Escobar, he didn't know it was a changeup - it's disguised as a fastball; that's the point. And he didn't charge the guy, he spun out angry and pretty quickly recovered. A bat flip? Christ, you're calling out a dude for flipping his bat? He was still pissed and he still wouldn't have known it was a changeup. Again, right in that moment, he things Volquez buzzed the tower.

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And the Madson pitch, it's about the situation. Two on, two strike count, no pitcher is trying to hit ANYBODY on purpose in that situation. It makes no baseball sense in a two-run game.

No it does not, but it didn't make sense for Cain to get hit by a slider in the early innings of a tie game but Cain and his teammates lost their shit and Royals fans were right there ready to back him. And again, from Donaldson's perspective, he's standing in the on deck circle when the new face of the franchise got hit in the hand; the kind of thing that can end a season. Of course he's going to be riled up especially with the backdrop of his last AB. Then when he gets another ball by his chin he turned and barked at the umpire. WTF is the problem with that?

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Neither of those pitches makes sense as an intentional HBP. Just like the 7th pitch of the AB to Tulo doesn't make sense as an intentional HBP.

Intentional or not - run or not - Royals fans lose their mind after their guy gets hit every time and yet they don't extend that same thought to Donaldson who had pretty much had his fill of that shit on that day - and you would to.

Like I said at the very beginning - I can absolutely see why the Royals would be nonplussed; from there perspective nothing untoward happened. My issue is with the idea that Donaldson was completely unjustified in his frustration - oh bullshit. That said - let's also be very clear here - 'nonplussed' isn't exactly what happened there either. Volquez spent the whole day looking for a fight (both times walking towards the batter after the HBP and then the walk) and the Royals had their whole team out of that dugout before anything actually started...evidently just in case. Volquez did a lot to incite that crap and as soon as guy were on the field, he and Cain were looking to elevate things....again.

It's the double standard that is laughable here.

ChiefsCountry · 08-04-2015, 10:56 AM

I was wondering when DJ's ass would show up and make an ass like Hamas did.

tk13 · 08-04-2015, 10:56 AM

There's no double standard. They hit Moose the day before and knocked him out of Sunday's game. The Cardinals would've done the same thing. In hindsight the stealing signs issue might have taken it over the top, but a lot of teams would've done it just because one of their own got taken out.

KCUnited · 08-04-2015, 10:58 AM

Bat flipping and barking at the up are OK, but mean mugging is out of line.

Pablo · 08-04-2015, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I was wondering when DJ's ass would show up and make an ass like Hamas did.

BFIB just can't help themselves.

ChiefsCountry · 08-04-2015, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

There's no double standard. They hit Moose the day before and knocked him out of Sunday's game. The Cardinals would've done the same thing. In hindsight the stealing signs issue might have taken it over the top, but a lot of teams would've done it just because one of their own got taken out.

It was over stealing signs Friday night against Cueto and they had Volquez take care of it instead of Ventura. Donaldson being a little bitch set it off even more.

duncan_idaho · 08-04-2015, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Let's remember though - that's the point of a changeup. When Donaldson spun out of the box and looked at Escobar, he didn't know it was a changeup - it's disguised as a fastball; that's the point. And he didn't charge the guy, he spun out angry and pretty quickly recovered. A bat flip? Christ, you're calling out a dude for flipping his bat? He was still pissed and he still wouldn't have known it was a changeup. Again, right in that moment, he things Volquez buzzed the tower.

No it does not, but it didn't make sense for Cain to get hit by a slider in the early innings of a tie game but Cain and his teammates lost their shit and Royals fans were right there ready to back him. And again, from Donaldson's perspective, he's standing in the on deck circle when the new face of the franchise got hit in the hand; the kind of thing that can end a season. Of course he's going to be riled up especially with the backdrop of his last AB. Then when he gets another ball by his chin he turned and barked at the umpire. WTF is the problem with that?

Intentional or not - run or not - Royals fans lose their mind after their guy gets hit every time and yet they don't extend that same thought to Donaldson who had pretty much had his fill of that shit on that day - and you would to.

Like I said at the very beginning - I can absolutely see why the Royals would be nonplussed; from there perspective nothing untoward happened. My issue is with the idea that Donaldson was completely unjustified in his frustration - oh bullshit. That said - let's also be very clear here - 'nonplussed' isn't exactly what happened there either. Volquez spent the whole day looking for a fight (both times walking towards the batter after the HBP and then the walk) and the Royals had their whole team out of that dugout before anything actually started...evidently just in case. Volquez did a lot to incite that crap and as soon as guy were on the field, he and Cain were looking to elevate things....again.

It's the double standard that is laughable here.

I'm just talking about the situation and the umpire's actions. Anyone looking back in hindsight and calling shenanigans on Wolf is being silly.

I don't have a problem with Donaldson being fired up and looking at the umpire or even complaining. I do think he went too far with the show he put on (walking to the backstop, continuing to jaw at the ump, etc). He's lucky he didn't get run for that (and Wolf, to his credit, gave him some significant rope, likely because of the situation and Wolf's awareness).

What slider are you referring to with Cain? The Kazmir pitch (because that wasn't a slider).

The Royals have a rep at this point. Things had been quiet for a few months, prior to this series, so I think they've settled down a little bit, but it's still a factor and still something the team needs to be careful about moving forward. Can't let it become a negative factor in the team's performance.

**Dartgod** · 08-04-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Things had been quiet for a few months, prior to this series...

Wrong

ALL SEASON!!

/tardfan

DJ's left nut · 08-04-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

There's no double standard. They hit Moose the day before and knocked him out of Sunday's game. The Cardinals would've done the same thing. In hindsight the stealing signs issue might have taken it over the top, but a lot of teams would've done it just because one of their own got taken out.

But if Mike Moustakas getting hit on accident is grounds for drilling Donaldson the next day and the Jays should've just understood and been okay with that, what are the Royals doing leaving the dugout when Sanchez hits Escobar after Tulowitzki gets hit?

There's absolutely a double standard here. When your guys hit one of theirs, intent is what controls. When their guys hit one of yours, well to hell with intent, one of our guys got it. When Ventura catches a comeback and starts yelling at the baserunner as he goes down the line, it's just being a firey kid. When Donaldson flips his bat, he's a drama queen.

And yet the team most frequently in the middle of these affairs is the Royals. I'm sure it's everyone else's fault.

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08-04-2015, 10:49 AM	#980
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1967500	This is the most Cardinals thing ever. Best fans in baseball! Coming in here making all kinds of generalizations that are completely out of context and acting like they're above it all, when their team is just as likely as anyone to retaliate against someone. What a load of crap.
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08-04-2015, 10:56 AM	#984
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1967500	There's no double standard. They hit Moose the day before and knocked him out of Sunday's game. The Cardinals would've done the same thing. In hindsight the stealing signs issue might have taken it over the top, but a lot of teams would've done it just because one of their own got taken out.
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