Chiefs NFL source: Chiefs facing "abyss" - Page 6

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2015, 08:24 AM

http://www.kctv5.com/story/30243233/...s-facing-abyss

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KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

As bad as the first five weeks have been for the Chiefs, it could get a lot worse.

That is the verdict of one long-time NFL executive.

"I don't have to be there to know how bad it is inside their offices and locker room," he said. "When you lose a game like Sunday's loss to the Bears, there's a real hangover."

That makes sense, KC blew a 17-3 lead against a poor Chicago team to fall to 1-4 on the season. Two of those losses came at home, and they were in games that the Chiefs seemed to have in hand. Offensive mistakes and poor defense fueled the defeats.

But, as bad as that is, it could lead to bigger problems.

"The concern for Andy is that the guys stop buying in," he told KCTV5. "If they stop listening to coaches, or start pointing fingers at each other, this could really get ugly."

The long-time exec has always been a big fan of Chiefs coach Andy Reid, but he said Reid is in a dangerous situation.

"I think the players respect Andy," he said, "But if the owner undermines him in any way, that could change. It could really implode."

Chiefs Chairman Clark Hunt personally selected his head coach and general manager John Dorsey, so it would appear highly unlikely that he would do or say anything to put the leaders of his franchise in a bad light. Even when faced with firing former GMs Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli, Hunt did nothing in advance to put his GMs in a bad position.

The NFL executive told KCTV5 that he is also worried about the Chiefs quarterback.

"Alex Smith has been left 'naked,'" he said, "First, he had no offensive line and now he loses the main component of his running game. Good luck with that."

He said the loss of running back Jamaal Charles will make Reid's game-planning and play calling job a lot harder, and that an already weak Chiefs offense will have an even harder time moving forward.

He also said the problems extend to the defense.

"I think (Chiefs defensive coordinator) Bob Sutton's in trouble." he said. "I really like Bob, but that defense should be better."

The veteran exec has faced these kinds of issues himself, and he says he "feels for those guys." "I hope they get it fixed," he said.

So do the millions of Chiefs fans worldwide.

KC will play at Minnesota this Sunday. A game you can see right here on KCTV5. Kick off's at noon.

**New World Order** · 10-13-2015, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I am sure it didn't help. That really doesn't change the fact that KC held the leads at the very end of those games, and the defense couldn't maintain the leads. There is simply no way around that.

If the offense puts up 14 points vs denver (while taking care of the ball) and 12 against Chicago we are 3-2.

**The Franchise** · 10-13-2015, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I am sure it didn't help. That really doesn't change the fact that KC held the leads at the very end of those games, and the defense couldn't maintain the leads. There is simply no way around that.

Yeah...it has nothing to do with a QB who can't ****ing put points on the board because he routinely misses throws and shits down his leg when he has time.

We could be leading 6-3 and you would blame the defense if they gave up the winning TD.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Bears had the ball for over 33 minutes in that game. The Bears loss is entirely on Smith and his inability to throw the ball accurately and keep this defense off the field. How many passes did he completely ****ing miss on? How many 3rd down conversions did he **** up because he couldn't throw an accurate ball when he had a perfectly acceptable pocket around him? You could swap defenses with the Broncos unit and this team would be right where it's at because defenses get ****ing tired when they have to continually go up against an offense with no ****ing rest.

Don't oversell it. Alex had a bad game, but there were still at least 5 perfect 3rd down throws for first down that were flat out dropped, and Maclin's bobble on the last play in FG range was Bowe-esque.

I can understand wanting a better QB. But this fanbase seems insistent of somehow getting a QB so good the rest of the team doesn't even have to show up, nor the fans, nor the coaches. Just throw super-QB out there and every game is a blowout, never in doubt, win.

Reerun_KC · 10-13-2015, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

If the offense puts up 14 points vs denver (while taking care of the ball) and 12 against Chicago we are 3-2.

And that falls squarely on the shoulders of Reid and Smith...

Mother****erJones · 10-13-2015, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Don't oversell it. Alex had a bad game, but there were still at least 5 perfect 3rd down throws for first down that were flat out dropped, and Maclin's bobble on the last play in FG range was Bowe-esque.

FG range? That catch would've made it like a 60 yard FG instead of 66 lol.

Discuss Thrower · 10-13-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

This team needs to dump worthless players and start ****ing over.....AGAIN.

As it is right now....we've got $35 million in cap room next season.

CUT:

Alex Smith (June 1st)
Josh Mauga
Paul Fainaka
Marcus Cooper

RETIRE:
Tamba Hali
Derrick Johnson

RE-SIGN:

Sean Smith
Eric Berry
Jaye Howard

Probably time for KC to give up the 3-4 too...

jonzie04 · 10-13-2015, 10:14 AM

If we draft a 1st round QB next year, I have to wonder if it wouldn't be better to just have a fire sale right now. By the time that QB can develop into a good QB (if he ever does) most of our core guys now will be pushing 30 years old. That being said though that's very risky for a GM to do.

**The Franchise** · 10-13-2015, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Probably time for KC to give up the 3-4 too...

What do you do with Houston? Put his hand in the dirt? SLB?

I think you stick with the 3-4. You re-sign Howard and put him at NT. Poe is moved to DE opposite Bailey. Ford and Houston are your OLBs. Wilson is one ILB and hopefully they found a gem in March.

**RealSNR** · 10-13-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You're just a lazy fan who wants nothing more than for the Chiefs to have ONE problem to fix.

For ****'s sake. You can't be this stupid.

The Chiefs have MANY problems to fix.

Close to the top of that list in terms of priority is the QB.

QB has to get fixed REGARDLESS of how many other ****ing problems there are.

Discuss Thrower · 10-13-2015, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What do you do with Houston? Put his hand in the dirt? SLB?

I think you stick with the 3-4. You re-sign Howard and put him at NT. Poe is moved to DE opposite Bailey. Ford and Houston are your OLBs. Wilson is one ILB and hopefully they found a gem in March.

I just think the 3-4 is too hard to staff with any sort of depth. There's only one OLB capable of rushing the passer in Houston when you need three. None of the ILBs are worth a snot either.

Chiefnj2 · 10-13-2015, 10:22 AM

KC's 4th Quarter Offense.

Kansas City Chiefs at 13:04
1-10-KC 26
(13:04) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short left to 35-C.West to KC 31 for 5 yards (49-S.Acho).

2-5-KC 31
(12:26) 11-A.Smith sacked at KC 30 for -1 yards (99-L.Houston).

3-6-KC 30
(11:41) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 87-T.Kelce (59-C.Jones).

4-6-KC 30
(11:36) 2-D.Colquitt punts 45 yards to CHI 25, Center-41-J.Winchester. 80-M.Mariani to CHI 38 for 13 yards (30-J.Fleming).

Kansas City Chiefs at 09:25
1-10-KC 44
(9:25) (Shotgun) 34-K.Davis up the middle to KC 48 for 4 yards (90-J.Ratliff).

2-6-KC 48
(8:45) 34-K.Davis left tackle to KC 46 for -2 yards (52-L.Reynolds).

3-8-KC 46
(8:04) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 13-D.Thomas.

4-8-KC 46
(7:58) 2-D.Colquitt punts 42 yards to CHI 12, Center-41-J.Winchester, fair catch by 80-M.Mariani.

Kansas City Chiefs at 03:05
9-R.Gould kicks 65 yards from CHI 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-KC 20
(3:05) 35-C.West right guard to KC 22 for 2 yards (59-C.Jones).

Timeout #2 by CHI at 03:01.
2-8-KC 22
(3:01) 35-C.West left guard to KC 24 for 2 yards (49-S.Acho).

Timeout #1 by KC at 02:15.
3-6-KC 24
(2:15) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 19-J.Maclin (21-T.Porter).

4-6-KC 24
(2:11) 2-D.Colquitt punts 43 yards to CHI 33, Center-41-J.Winchester, fair catch by 80-M.Mariani.

Kansas City Chiefs at 00:18
9-R.Gould kicks 70 yards from CHI 35 to KC -5. 13-D.Thomas ran ob at KC 14 for 19 yards. PENALTY on CHI-52-L.Reynolds, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at KC 14.
1-10-KC 29
(:11) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass deep middle to 19-J.Maclin to CHI 48 for 23 yards (21-T.Porter).

Timeout #2 by KC at 00:06.
1-10-CHI 48
(:06) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 19-J.Maclin ran ob at CHI 39 for 9 yards. The Replay Official reviewed the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 19-J.Maclin.

Timeout #3 by CHI at 00:02.
2-10-CHI 48
(:02) 5-C.Santos 66 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-41-J.Winchester, Holder-2-D.Colquitt.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

For ****'s sake. You can't be this stupid.

The Chiefs have MANY problems to fix.

Close to the top of that list in terms of priority is the QB.

QB has to get fixed REGARDLESS of how many other ****ing problems there are.

You're severely misreading your supposed allies.

There's a shitload of difference between 'a lot of things need to be fixed, and the QB is one of them' and 'nothing else matters if Alex is QB'

TEX · 10-13-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Alex could do what Peyton's doing this year with Denver and they'd be just a good.

Belichick could be coaching this team with Alex on it, and they'd be in SB contention.

Alex isn't be the best or worst QB, but he's far from the organization's biggest problem.

I agree - even with point # 3 to a point. Or rather I agreed with point # 3 more last season. However, its clear that Smith has regressed in the situation he's in now and can't be fixed. So, he now becomes a major problem (maybe not the biggest one) - perhaps the easiest major one to resolve, and it needs to be done before moving forward. Hope the "brain trust" has learned something and drafts a young QB EARLY, assembles a real NFL OL, and goes in a different defensive direction this off season.

vailpass · 10-13-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I worry about Peters.

Are you also concerned with Dix?

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-13-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

We're going to London so other teams can come to Kansas City and play for a championship. Get with the program.

The sad, sad truth.

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10-13-2015, 10:22 AM	#86
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	KC's 4th Quarter Offense. Kansas City Chiefs at 13:04 1-10-KC 26 (13:04) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short left to 35-C.West to KC 31 for 5 yards (49-S.Acho). 2-5-KC 31 (12:26) 11-A.Smith sacked at KC 30 for -1 yards (99-L.Houston). 3-6-KC 30 (11:41) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 87-T.Kelce (59-C.Jones). 4-6-KC 30 (11:36) 2-D.Colquitt punts 45 yards to CHI 25, Center-41-J.Winchester. 80-M.Mariani to CHI 38 for 13 yards (30-J.Fleming). Kansas City Chiefs at 09:25 1-10-KC 44 (9:25) (Shotgun) 34-K.Davis up the middle to KC 48 for 4 yards (90-J.Ratliff). 2-6-KC 48 (8:45) 34-K.Davis left tackle to KC 46 for -2 yards (52-L.Reynolds). 3-8-KC 46 (8:04) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 13-D.Thomas. 4-8-KC 46 (7:58) 2-D.Colquitt punts 42 yards to CHI 12, Center-41-J.Winchester, fair catch by 80-M.Mariani. Kansas City Chiefs at 03:05 9-R.Gould kicks 65 yards from CHI 35 to end zone, Touchback. 1-10-KC 20 (3:05) 35-C.West right guard to KC 22 for 2 yards (59-C.Jones). Timeout #2 by CHI at 03:01. 2-8-KC 22 (3:01) 35-C.West left guard to KC 24 for 2 yards (49-S.Acho). Timeout #1 by KC at 02:15. 3-6-KC 24 (2:15) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 19-J.Maclin (21-T.Porter). 4-6-KC 24 (2:11) 2-D.Colquitt punts 43 yards to CHI 33, Center-41-J.Winchester, fair catch by 80-M.Mariani. Kansas City Chiefs at 00:18 9-R.Gould kicks 70 yards from CHI 35 to KC -5. 13-D.Thomas ran ob at KC 14 for 19 yards. PENALTY on CHI-52-L.Reynolds, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at KC 14. 1-10-KC 29 (:11) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass deep middle to 19-J.Maclin to CHI 48 for 23 yards (21-T.Porter). Timeout #2 by KC at 00:06. 1-10-CHI 48 (:06) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 19-J.Maclin ran ob at CHI 39 for 9 yards. The Replay Official reviewed the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 19-J.Maclin. Timeout #3 by CHI at 00:02. 2-10-CHI 48 (:02) 5-C.Santos 66 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-41-J.Winchester, Holder-2-D.Colquitt. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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