Chiefs NFL source: Chiefs facing "abyss" - Page 7

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2015, 08:24 AM

http://www.kctv5.com/story/30243233/...s-facing-abyss

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KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

As bad as the first five weeks have been for the Chiefs, it could get a lot worse.

That is the verdict of one long-time NFL executive.

"I don't have to be there to know how bad it is inside their offices and locker room," he said. "When you lose a game like Sunday's loss to the Bears, there's a real hangover."

That makes sense, KC blew a 17-3 lead against a poor Chicago team to fall to 1-4 on the season. Two of those losses came at home, and they were in games that the Chiefs seemed to have in hand. Offensive mistakes and poor defense fueled the defeats.

But, as bad as that is, it could lead to bigger problems.

"The concern for Andy is that the guys stop buying in," he told KCTV5. "If they stop listening to coaches, or start pointing fingers at each other, this could really get ugly."

The long-time exec has always been a big fan of Chiefs coach Andy Reid, but he said Reid is in a dangerous situation.

"I think the players respect Andy," he said, "But if the owner undermines him in any way, that could change. It could really implode."

Chiefs Chairman Clark Hunt personally selected his head coach and general manager John Dorsey, so it would appear highly unlikely that he would do or say anything to put the leaders of his franchise in a bad light. Even when faced with firing former GMs Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli, Hunt did nothing in advance to put his GMs in a bad position.

The NFL executive told KCTV5 that he is also worried about the Chiefs quarterback.

"Alex Smith has been left 'naked,'" he said, "First, he had no offensive line and now he loses the main component of his running game. Good luck with that."

He said the loss of running back Jamaal Charles will make Reid's game-planning and play calling job a lot harder, and that an already weak Chiefs offense will have an even harder time moving forward.

He also said the problems extend to the defense.

"I think (Chiefs defensive coordinator) Bob Sutton's in trouble." he said. "I really like Bob, but that defense should be better."

The veteran exec has faced these kinds of issues himself, and he says he "feels for those guys." "I hope they get it fixed," he said.

So do the millions of Chiefs fans worldwide.

KC will play at Minnesota this Sunday. A game you can see right here on KCTV5. Kick off's at noon.

Reerun_KC · 10-13-2015, 10:27 AM

Funny how this went from a Reid thread to a Smith thread...

Anything to deflect the pressure off of Reid...

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-13-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What do you do with Houston? Put his hand in the dirt? SLB?

I think you stick with the 3-4. You re-sign Howard and put him at NT. Poe is moved to DE opposite Bailey. Ford and Houston are your OLBs. Wilson is one ILB and hopefully they found a gem in March.

Agreed. That or free agency to find a quality ILB. The only way we are competitors next season is if we fire Sutton, retain Sean Smith, develop Nelson/Peters this season, and figure out what gaps we have going into the draft.

**The Franchise** · 10-13-2015, 10:35 AM

So say that the Chiefs lose to the Vikings (which is pretty much a given) and then lose to the Steelers putting us at 1-6. If the Chiefs lose to the Lions in London.....should Reid be fired after that game?

chiefzilla1501 · 10-13-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Alex could do what Peyton's doing this year with Denver and they'd be just a good.

Belichick could be coaching this team with Alex on it, and they'd be in SB contention.

Alex isn't be the best or worst QB, but he's far from the organization's biggest problem.

No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the same place we were last year. 9-7 and clearly outmatched against elite teams like Denver. He is part of the problem because he's not part of the solution. You're not going to change Alex Smith. I'd rather get rid of both, but if I had my choice, without a doubt I know Andy Reid can build a more explosive offense without Smith because he's done out several times before.

It's becoming clear that with Alex Smith, yiu have to build an elite running game and elite defense to win games. Now he needs an ol too. And receivers. If your QB is that dependent on other teams success, he's not the QB to build around. I'm not one to overreact on qbs. I've given Smith plenty of rope, as I did with cassel. But sooner or later you have to realize he's causing a lot of problems his fans claim he's being victim to.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-13-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So say that the Chiefs lose to the Vikings (which is pretty much a given) and then lose to the Steelers putting us at 1-6. If the Chiefs lose to the Lions in London.....should Reid be fired after that game?

Absolutely, but Clark won't.

**The Franchise** · 10-13-2015, 10:41 AM

If we lose to the Lions....it's clear that we're the worst team in the league.

**New World Order** · 10-13-2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

If we lose to the Lions....it's clear that we're the worst team in the league.

That game could be for all the marbles.

**gblowfish** · 10-13-2015, 10:45 AM

It's pretty hilarious that our trip to London could be a contest to see who can suck the most.

BTW: This year is not "An Abyss." The year Belcher killed his wife and himself, that was an abyss.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-13-2015, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the same place we were last year. 9-7 and clearly outmatched against elite teams like Denver. He is part of the problem because he's not part of the solution. You're not going to change Alex Smith. I'd rather get rid of both, but if I had my choice, without a doubt I know Andy Reid can build a more explosive offense without Smith because he's done out several times before.

It's becoming clear that with Alex Smith, yiu have to build an elite running game and elite defense to win games. Now he needs an ol too. And receivers. If your QB is that dependent on other teams success, he's not the QB to build around. I'm not one to overreact on qbs. I've given Smith plenty of rope, as I did with cassel. But sooner or later you have to realize he's causing a lot of problems his fans claim he's being victim to.

Let me get this straight...you think Quarterbacks can win a ring by themselves? Rodgers won his SB title alongside a top 5 defense. Wilson did it with the #1 defense. Roethisberger did it twice with a top D. Flacco did it with an amazing defense and Rice/Pierce who averaged >4.5 YPC. Tom Brady won his first 3 superbowls with game manager level stats behind a solid defense.

Alex Smith is not the exception. Every successful team needs a good defense, a decent run game, and a smart QB. Why else would teams be paying 70 million a year for their defense personnel? You disregarding the importance of having a good defense on this board is absurd.

**ptlyon** · 10-13-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

It's pretty hilarious that our trip to London could be a contest to see who can suck the most.

It would be awesome if they could get Keith Jackson to call the game. "And this one is for all the marbles!"

Ebolapox · 10-13-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

It's darkest before the dawn.

homer.

**RealSNR** · 10-13-2015, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

It's pretty hilarious that our trip to London could be a contest to see who can suck the most.

BTW: This year is not "An Abyss." The year Belcher killed his wife and himself, that was an abyss.

Give it time. We still got a lot of season left.

Chiefnj2 · 10-13-2015, 11:14 AM

Biggest Problems:
1. Reid.
2. Smith.
3. Loss of Charles.
4. Dee Ford.
5. Secondary that can't cover.
6. OL
7. WR's 2-5.
8. Injury/old age/disease to DJ, Berry, Poe.

**bevischief** · 10-13-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Team has not hit rock bottom yet.

But the fans have

**bevischief** · 10-13-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Well we are in a world of shit

That is a understatement.

10-13-2015, 10:27 AM	#91
Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	Funny how this went from a Reid thread to a Smith thread... Anything to deflect the pressure off of Reid...
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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	So say that the Chiefs lose to the Vikings (which is pretty much a given) and then lose to the Steelers putting us at 1-6. If the Chiefs lose to the Lions in London.....should Reid be fired after that game?
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16866178 VARSITY	It's pretty hilarious that our trip to London could be a contest to see who can suck the most. BTW: This year is not "An Abyss." The year Belcher killed his wife and himself, that was an abyss.
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10-13-2015, 11:14 AM	#103
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Biggest Problems: 1. Reid. 2. Smith. 3. Loss of Charles. 4. Dee Ford. 5. Secondary that can't cover. 6. OL 7. WR's 2-5. 8. Injury/old age/disease to DJ, Berry, Poe. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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