Chiefs NFL source: Chiefs facing "abyss" - Page 11

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2015, 08:24 AM

http://www.kctv5.com/story/30243233/...s-facing-abyss

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KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

As bad as the first five weeks have been for the Chiefs, it could get a lot worse.

That is the verdict of one long-time NFL executive.

"I don't have to be there to know how bad it is inside their offices and locker room," he said. "When you lose a game like Sunday's loss to the Bears, there's a real hangover."

That makes sense, KC blew a 17-3 lead against a poor Chicago team to fall to 1-4 on the season. Two of those losses came at home, and they were in games that the Chiefs seemed to have in hand. Offensive mistakes and poor defense fueled the defeats.

But, as bad as that is, it could lead to bigger problems.

"The concern for Andy is that the guys stop buying in," he told KCTV5. "If they stop listening to coaches, or start pointing fingers at each other, this could really get ugly."

The long-time exec has always been a big fan of Chiefs coach Andy Reid, but he said Reid is in a dangerous situation.

"I think the players respect Andy," he said, "But if the owner undermines him in any way, that could change. It could really implode."

Chiefs Chairman Clark Hunt personally selected his head coach and general manager John Dorsey, so it would appear highly unlikely that he would do or say anything to put the leaders of his franchise in a bad light. Even when faced with firing former GMs Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli, Hunt did nothing in advance to put his GMs in a bad position.

The NFL executive told KCTV5 that he is also worried about the Chiefs quarterback.

"Alex Smith has been left 'naked,'" he said, "First, he had no offensive line and now he loses the main component of his running game. Good luck with that."

He said the loss of running back Jamaal Charles will make Reid's game-planning and play calling job a lot harder, and that an already weak Chiefs offense will have an even harder time moving forward.

He also said the problems extend to the defense.

"I think (Chiefs defensive coordinator) Bob Sutton's in trouble." he said. "I really like Bob, but that defense should be better."

The veteran exec has faced these kinds of issues himself, and he says he "feels for those guys." "I hope they get it fixed," he said.

So do the millions of Chiefs fans worldwide.

KC will play at Minnesota this Sunday. A game you can see right here on KCTV5. Kick off's at noon.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Your list is missing the biggest problem, which apathy.

We all saw it in the second half of the Texans game, the second half of the Broncos game and the entirety of the Green Bay & Cincy games.

The players just don't look like they care. They have the look of a beaten team before they hit the field.

It's 2012 all over again.

Reid: That's on me. I take responsibility. Some things we need to do better.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

It seems to me that the turning point was the Denver game. That loss and the 5 turnovers killed anything they had. Reid seems to have lost the team from that point forward.

I said as soon as that game was over that that game was irrelevant so far as the entire season was concerned. It was one very early season game. The story of this season was going to be how they responded to it.

Well, . . . they responded.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

No. Rock bottom comes when you're winless, everyone is fired, and one of your players shoots himself in the head in the parking lot after murdering his girlfriend. We've seen rock bottom before. This isn't that.

This is just a shitty football team with a coaching staff that doesn't know how to right the ship.

This is a talented team, with a coaching staff that can't instill in them the will to refuse to accept defeat.

TEX · 10-13-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

This is a talented team, with a coaching staff that can't instill in them the will to refuse to accept defeat.

And put them in the best position to win with the talent on hand.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 12:55 PM

It's ****ing hilarious all the people throwing terms like flawless and elite about the rest of the team around the QB in KC. Outside a criminally misused Charles, the whole team has been mediocre to subpar for a long while.

Even Houston set the most pedestrian, irrelevant, near sack record in NFL history.

The Faustian pact when Alex was brought here was 'get a GM who doesn't obsess over candy wrappers, and a competent coach. We'll build a team around Alex that can win.'

Well the team around Alex is just a reeruned as it was in 2012, there are still serious questions about the competence of coach and staff, and this is still supposed primarily a QB problem?

Alex probably has to go. Really, before we're good again almost all of them will go in some way or another. But we haven't learned learned jack shit about what it means to surrounding Alex with a good team, let alone an elite one. That's just wishing and praying for an easier to solve problem.

OctoberFart · 10-13-2015, 01:06 PM

Reid, Smith, Dorsey and Sutton are your guys problems.

TEX · 10-13-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart

Reid, Smith, Dorsey and Sutton are your guys problems.

Yep. + the OL

Coochie liquor · 10-13-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

How could this have happened? These guys seemed pumped about the season 6 weeks ago.
Several players saying "super bowl" over and over again

The Denver game broke us. That's how it seems to me. That was the game. We had it in hand and then the fumble. That was the back breaker.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

The Denver game broke us. That's how it seems to me. That was the game. We had it in hand and then the fumble. That was the back breaker.

It was our GM ignition of games.

**ptlyon** · 10-13-2015, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

The Denver game broke us. That's how it seems to me. That was the game. We had it in hand and then the fumble. That was the back breaker.

Even if Charles doesn't fumble, we lose that game. Knew it with 6 minutes to go.

**notorious** · 10-13-2015, 01:28 PM

We had the Denver game in hand?

Wasn't the game tied and going into overtime?

**bevischief** · 10-13-2015, 01:33 PM

Right off a short peer.

jonzie04 · 10-13-2015, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Probably time for KC to give up the 3-4 too...

Why? We have no front 7 issues whatsoever in our base set.

Discuss Thrower · 10-13-2015, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

Why? We have no front 7 issues whatsoever in our base set.

How many sacks has KC netted so far this year?

That's why.

jonzie04 · 10-13-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

How many sacks has KC netted so far this year?

That's why.

How often do we rush the passer our of our base set? Not often. Besides our base defense is nearly the exact same alignment as the 4-3 under a lot of teams run. Probably with slightly different gap responsibilities though. And our lack of sacks has nothing to do with our base defense. Sutton not blitzing enough, sure. Sutton dropping our best pass rusher into coverage too much, sure. Our secondary not covering enough, sure. Houston being the only person generating any sort of pass rush, sure. Teams getting the ball our quick, sure.. None of these would be solved by switching over to a 4-3.

I do agree though that it is easier finding 4-3 players than 3-4 players though.

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