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Old 10-19-2015, 10:18 PM   #1
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I'm torn right now on Goff and Cook. There's just too many questions. But I'd love to have either right now. In the meantime.... can we please see what Aaron Murray can do?
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Old 10-19-2015, 10:29 PM   #2
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Bottomline is that there will most likely be 4 guys running. There will sometimes be one guy who backs off and goes back to school, so most likely 3 of the following guys will be in the draft..

Hackenberg
Lynch
Goff
Cook

This is as good of a QB draft class as it gets. If (when) the Chiefs don't draft one of these players, then they will absolutely signify what people think of them, and Clark.

April 2016 is going to be one of the most important months for the Chiefs.
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Old 10-19-2015, 10:38 PM   #3
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I'm torn right now on Goff and Cook. There's just too many questions. But I'd love to have either right now. In the meantime.... can we please see what Aaron Murray can do?
Cook has delivered time and again against good competition. He's very accurate and his TDs to INT ratio has been great on a continuous season by season basis. He throws accurately into tight windows within a conservative passing game plan and has played in the pro style offense. Cook looks the part. Has proto typical size and speed. A strong arm and a love for football. Cook compares to Phillip Rivers and is a no brainer, first QB in the draft type player. Cook is the best QB prospect in the upcoming draft by a sizeable margin.
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Old 10-19-2015, 10:49 PM   #4
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Cook has delivered time and again against good competition. He's very accurate and his TDs to INT ratio has been great on a continuous season by season basis. He throws accurately into tight windows within a conservative passing game plan and has played in the pro style offense. Cook looks the part. Has proto typical size and speed. A strong arm and a love for football. Cook compares to Phillip Rivers and is a no brainer, first QB in the draft type player. Cook is the best QB prospect in the upcoming draft by a sizeable margin.
Actually, this is where I have a problem with Cook. His accuracy has always been kind of an issue.

He's never broken the 60% completion mark in his entire career for a season. Ever. That should be a genuine concern for a guy who is a potential first round pick in the draft.

He throws for a ton of yards and makes some beautiful passes but will make some really dipshit, head scratching throws in nearly every game and a handful of off the mark tosses that a top prospect shouldn't be missing with that regularity. He throws a great out pass, but he just doesn't see the middle of the field well for whatever reason.

He's a very nice prospect with numerous pro level tools. Love his attitude as well. However, there are some serious question marks about his game most of which is his accuracy, or lackthereof.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:02 PM   #5
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Missouri State was a warm up and he only threw the ball 12 times for 78 yards as they went to the ground game almost immediately. Kansas is dog shit, but the other teams are a combined 16-10 with a top 20 team in Ole Miss.

And he's not shiny and new. He was very good last season and has continued to get better. This is the type of progression you hope for in a QB, regardless of the conference level, and as he's showing the progression against a team like Ole Miss, who has an excellent defense and solid defensive backs and Lynch just owned them all game, shows that he's doing what everyone hopes a college QB with pro potential will do - get better every year as they get physically and mentally stronger and their understanding of the game grows.

If you don't like him because he didn't throw for 4000 yards as a freshman, fine. But he's shown a ton in his progression and is now putting the hammer to everyone. You want the definition of a guy being able to carry a team? That's Paxton Lynch, circa 2015. He's brought his team back from 10 points down four times already this season.
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Actually, this is where I have a problem with Cook. His accuracy has always been kind of an issue.

He's never broken the 60% completion mark in his entire career for a season. Ever. That should be a genuine concern for a guy who is a potential first round pick in the draft.

He throws for a ton of yards and makes some beautiful passes but will make some really dipshit, head scratching throws in nearly every game and a handful of off the mark tosses that a top prospect shouldn't be missing with that regularity. He throws a great out pass, but he just doesn't see the middle of the field well for whatever reason.

He's a very nice prospect with numerous pro level tools. Love his attitude as well. However, there are some serious question marks about his game most of which is his accuracy, or lackthereof.
Paxton Lynch 62 % completions career percentage against inferior competition. Enough said.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:04 PM   #6
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He throws for a ton of yards and makes some beautiful passes but will make some really dipshit, head scratching throws in nearly every game and a handful of off the mark tosses that a top prospect shouldn't be missing with that regularity. He throws a great out pass, but he just doesn't see the middle of the field well for whatever reason.
Sounds like Kerry Collins.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:29 PM   #7
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Sounds like Kerry Collins.


Not an inaccurate comparison at all actually.

Well done C.E.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:29 PM   #8
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Sounds like Kerry Collins.
Kerry Collins college stats 35 TDs 21 INTs

Connor Cook college stats 60 TDs 17 INTs

Its not even remotely close. Know your facts before throwing shit at a wall, hoping it sticks.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:36 PM   #9
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Kerry Collins college stats 35 TDs 21 INTs

Connor Cook college stats 60 TDs 17 INTs

Its not even remotely close. Know your facts before throwing shit at a wall, hoping it sticks.
Don't get completely riled up. Collins was a terrific college QB, especially his senior year and displayed a lot of the traits that Cook does in their games at the same level.

Collins also was a solid pro. Not spectactular, but solid.

He wasn't insanely accurate at either level, much like Cook and, while he possessed a big frame, he didn't have a huge arm.

You can never say that two guys are the same guy, but the Collins comparison is not a stretch.
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Don't get completely riled up. Collins was a terrific college QB, especially his senior year and displayed a lot of the traits that Cook does in their games at the same level.

Collins also was a solid pro. Not spectactular, but solid.

He wasn't insanely accurate at either level, much like Cook and, while he possessed a big frame, he didn't have a huge arm.

You can never say that two guys are the same guy, but the Collins comparison is not a stretch.
I see Connor Cook more comparable to Rivers at the next level. I don't believe the TDs of Cook's should be overlooked and why I believe the Collins comparison is weak.
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Don't get completely riled up. Collins was a terrific college QB, especially his senior year and displayed a lot of the traits that Cook does in their games at the same level.

Collins also was a solid pro. Not spectactular, but solid.

He wasn't insanely accurate at either level, much like Cook and, while he possessed a big frame, he didn't have a huge arm.

You can never say that two guys are the same guy, but the Collins comparison is not a stretch.
Collins would be remembered a lot more favorably if he didn't have problems with substance abuse.

He was a really good prospect.
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Kerry Collins college stats 35 TDs 21 INTs

Connor Cook college stats 60 TDs 17 INTs

Its not even remotely close. Know your facts before throwing shit at a wall, hoping it sticks.
If you're telling someone to know facts when using college statistics to justify drafting a qb, it's time for a break.
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