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Old 10-23-2015, 02:11 PM   #1
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Nail as in like what?

You like to paint the 2013 and 14 drafts as the worst drafts ever, right?
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Old 10-23-2015, 03:02 PM   #2
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Nail as in like what?

You like to paint the 2013 and 14 drafts as the worst drafts ever, right?
Kelce is the only guy out of those classes who would start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

2013 wasn't totally Dorsey's fault (though trading two 2nd round picks was a bad move), but 2014 he botched pretty soundly by whiffing on Dee Ford and taking a worthless gadget player in Thomas.
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Old 10-23-2015, 03:09 PM   #3
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Kelce is the only guy out of those classes who would start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

2013 wasn't totally Dorsey's fault (though trading two 2nd round picks was a bad move), but 2014 he botched pretty soundly by whiffing on Dee Ford and taking a worthless gadget player in Thomas.
We have no clue about ford yet because they won't put him on the field. Maybe that's enough evidence, but I'd imagine that one is undecided.

But kelce is the only one? Not likely. And because a 4th round pick is a gadget, it's a whiff?

I think you generally have a decent grip on things but the over exaggeration seems to be something you have a grasp on.

Fwiw, Gaines was playing pretty well as a 2nd year player at the Nickel spot as well.

So I th8nk you're overdoing it a bit here
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:32 PM   #4
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Dorsey has to nail the 2016 draft or else this team will be Oakland 2003-2014 bad.

As in they'll struggle to win 20 games over a five year span bad.
If you think the roster is that bad, then you must think Reid isn't doing such a bad job.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:55 PM   #5
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If you think the roster is that bad, then you must think Reid isn't doing such a bad job.
The Chiefs 2013 draft class busted outside of Kelce and Knile (.. and even then..)

The 2014 draft is a bust outisde of Gaines unless Murray steps on to the field and shows something.

Jury is still out on 2015 obviously, but if Peters is the only guy worth a shit out of that group then there's a serious depth problem with the team.

Go look at how the 2013/2014 Seahawks were built. Spoiler alert: it was hitting on at least half the picks in three straight draft classes.

Unless you have a franchise QB, Seattle demonstrated the model of building a complete team through the draft. KC will not compete for a Lombardi from this year to 2017. But if the '15, '16 and '17 draft classes pan out, then we could have a team that should be a wild card contender in 2017 and a conference final team in '18-'20.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:43 PM   #6
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We have way too much talent to be this bad.


Dorsey can stay, everyone else goes.


btw - Dorsey better stop ****ing around with the Oline.
True to a point, and you did mention the sub par O-line. Add to that a sub-par QB ant that intensifies many of the deficiencies. Just as a good OL / QB can hide many. So this roster might have a lot of talent places, but not in two very important one's, that Dorsey happened to play a role in acquiring - no?
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True to a point, and you did mention the sub par O-line. Add to that a sub-par QB ant that intensifies many of the deficiencies. Just as a good OL / QB can hide many. So this roster might have a lot of talent places, but not in two very important one's, that Dorsey happened to play a role in acquiring - no?
I assume that the QB's are Andy Reid, at least the top 2 are his.

He wanted and got Alex Smith, not Dorsey.

Daniel goes to Reid or Dorsey? Both?


Bray and Murray might be Dorsey's


Not sure which one has the attitude that Oline is just something you mix and match each year like middle relief in MLB. If that is Dorsey then he needs to stop that shit. You might not need pro bowlers but you need quality and continuity and we haven't had either.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:54 PM   #8
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I assume that the QB's are Andy Reid, at least the first 2 are his.

He wanted and got Alex Smith, not Dorsey.


Bray and Murray might be Dorsey's


Not sure which one has the attitude that Oline is just something you mix and match each year like middle relief in MLB. If that is Dorsey then he needs to stop that shit. You might not need pro bowlers but you need quality and continuity and we haven't had either.
Dorsey built the ol same way Schneider did in Seattle. It can work but you gotta hit on the picks.

I don't see a problem devaluing the ol for Alex Smith. If they want to build around a true QB, they will definitely need to beef up the ol.
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Dorsey built the ol same way Schneider did in Seattle. It can work but you gotta hit on the picks.

I don't see a problem devaluing the ol for Alex Smith. If they want to build around a true QB, they will definitely need to beef up the ol.
That's exactly opposite of reality and hope to hell that's not Dorsey's belief.

A QB like Alex Smith must have an above average OL to be successful. A guy like Aaron Rodgers is good enough to elevate his OL. This shouldn't be about not giving a shit about Alex Smith's health, it's about being successful as a team. If Dorsey said '**** it' who cares if Alex Smith gets killed by a shitty OL then he is the wrong professional. That's how idiot fans think not a NFL GM.
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Hit on the qb and the wr thing takes care of itself.
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Hit on the qb and the wr thing takes care of itself.
Just stop it with this bullshit


you don't just let positions take care of themselves


we need to go out and get quality players at all positions
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Just stop it with this bullshit


you don't just let positions take care of themselves


we need to go out and get quality players at all positions
The wr position is getting open now. They currently have quality players at wr.

So, per usual, your an idiot
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:24 PM   #13
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you don't just let positions take care of themselves


we need to go out and get quality players at all positions
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you don't just let positions take care of themselves


we need to go out and get quality players at all positions
Didn't they just sign a top FA WR and draft a WR also? The wr position is not that bad.
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Didn't they just sign a top FA WR and draft a WR also? The wr position is not that bad.
Yes, we got Maclin ... a great addition.

Right now Maclin is the only NFL starter level WR we have.

Maclin - yes
Conley - isn't ready yet
Wilson - can't stay healthy
Dat - not even as good as McCluster
Frankie Hammond - no
Brian Parker - Who?

So where is this NFL level receiver corp? It's not on our roster.

We don't even have 2 starters yet.
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