Chiefs Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016 - Page 4

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 10:57 AM

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SEAN KEELER
Yesterday at 7:14 PM
Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall.

Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible.
You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy.
It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion.
Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million.
As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016.
At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.)
“Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program.
The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money.
To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids.
So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce.
If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

100 percent of pressure allowed on a qb isn't on the offensive line. Seems that's not realized here

Check Chiefs facebook every one on there wants us to draft o-line with our 1st 3 picks.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Has no QB ever came back from Mental issues with the game Drew Brees is the only QB I can think of who has changed his mentality

Vinnie Testeverde was D E A D dead at QB in his early-mid 30s, came back late with a better siutation.

KC_Lee · 10-23-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Looking at team game single positions 'in a vacuum' is what's bullshit, especially when you assume synergy for some positions and discount it entirely for others.

Truly, I realize that a lot of people see me as an Alex apologist. I'm not. I'm just trying to get people to apply their butthurt evenly.

****, we're a 1/2 step away from blaming moldy hot dogs in the concession stands over vendor despondence over QB performance.

I understand, QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN CIVILIZATION!!!WTFBBQ!!SMURFANAL!!!

It's still a team game.

You're right, and the D did their job in MN; kept AP in check and only allowed MN to score 16 points. It wasn't a stellar performance but it was a solid performance on the road in the NFL.

The O, led by Smith, failed to capitalize on the D's effort. So one part of the team did their job and the other did not. Put an average QB in place of Smith KC wins a close one. But with Smith we get the same old same old, a milquetoast effort from a QB that more afraid of losing the game than taking the bull by the horns and winning the game.

Smith is so scared of making a mistake that his play lacks any type of fire. When the leader of the O is scared the rest of the unit reflects that. The opposing D sees this and adjusts. This is why we find ourselves where were are now as KC fans. Pieces of what could be a good to great team held back by the lack of a quality QB. Same old, same old.

kcfanXIII · 10-23-2015, 12:38 PM

Yes, an offense that moves the ball rather than going 3 and out for an entire half, makes the defense better. I'm not sure how the Alex Apologists don't see it. I also don't believe this Oline is nearly as bad as they make it out to be either. I'm not saying they are great by any means, but Andy Dalton seems to be able to make plays with pressure in his face, as well as the top tier qbs in the league. Smith doesn't look down field, ever. Smith doesn't have the arm strength a pro qb needs. And his game management, his best trait, has been piss poor this season. He needs to go.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Berry has been great this year. He looks fine.

DJ and hali, yes, they're done.

Reid picked Alex so in the end I'm guessing he sinks for that choice. But i don't think the play calling has been near the issue as the qb has been

Last time I checked PFF had berry rated the top safety in the NFL he has a real good chance at winning comeback player of the year.

I personally think it should go to Dalton.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

I can't speak for everyone, but for me a 1st round QB isn't about 2 more wins in 2015 or 2016. 1st round QB is an investment in long-term success (2017-2025, if we are lucky). The big argument for me is that top talent QBs are so rare that you have to take them when you have an opportunity. If you don't have a top talent QB, you need dedicate resources each year into finding one because without one you are going nowhere. 1st round QB is the first step of many to becoming a contender.

I'm totally on board with investing in a QB. Totally not on board with 'just do it, and if it fails do it again. Suck 'til superstar. It's the only thing we haven't tried'

Discuss Thrower · 10-23-2015, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Totally not on board with 'just do it, and if it fails do it again. Suck 'til superstar. It's the only thing we haven't tried'

Because that is *so* different than what the Chiefs have been doing for the last forty ****ing years.

O.city · 10-23-2015, 12:40 PM

That's another tired mantra though.

You don't have to have a superstar at qb in today's league. It's not the force multiplier it once was.

But you've gotta have competent play at minimum there. Right now, we dont.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

That's another tired mantra though.

You don't have to have a superstar at qb in today's league. It's not the force multiplier it once was.

But you've gotta have competent play at minimum there. Right now, we dont.

We haven't had a competent passing game since Weis and Cassel

**RealSNR** · 10-23-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Our shitty offense on par with the 6-0 Broncos. As is the 2-5 49ers.

Like I said, swap defensive coordinators with Denver, and we're at least beating the ****ing Bears and Vikings, and possibly even the Donks.

That shouldn't excuse the need to get a new QB. Or lose out for one, since the season is ****ing dead. Does no good whatsoever to start a rally behind Alex Smith at this point.

Coogs · 10-23-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Check Chiefs facebook every one on there wants us to draft o-line with our 1st 3 picks.

I recall Kyle Orton making our offensive line look pretty good when he took over. That same offensive line that Cassel made look pretty bad. I would prefer Murray, but would be satisfied to see Daniel get a shot behind this O-line to see if there is a difference in the performance level of the line.

Discuss Thrower · 10-23-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I recall Kyle Orton making our offensive line look pretty good when he took over. That same offensive line that Cassel made look pretty bad. I would prefer Murray, but would be satisfied to see Daniel get a shot behind this O-line to see if there is a difference in the performance level of the line.

The 2011 49ers offensive line wasn't bad, yet Smith was sacked 44 times.

**RealSNR** · 10-23-2015, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The 2011 49ers offensive line wasn't bad, yet Smith was sacked 44 times.

That wasn't a very mentally tough offensive line /Baby Lee

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Vinnie Testeverde was D E A D dead at QB in his early-mid 30s, came back late with a better siutation.

98 jets ?

**The Franchise** · 10-23-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Like I said, swap defensive coordinators with Denver, and we're at least beating the ****ing Bears and Vikings, and possibly even the Donks.

That shouldn't excuse the need to get a new QB. Or lose out for one, since the season is ****ing dead. Does no good whatsoever to start a rally behind Alex Smith at this point.

I'd be interested to see how many times Von Miller gets dropped back into coverage versus Houston.

10-23-2015, 10:57 AM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5828993	Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016 http://www.scout.com/nfl/chiefs/stor...pot-with-smith SEAN KEELER Yesterday at 7:14 PM Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall. Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible. You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy. It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion. Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million. As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016. At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.) “Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program. The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money. To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids. So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce. If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.
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kcfanXIII Ride on! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Galaxy far far away Casino cash: $10013172	Yes, an offense that moves the ball rather than going 3 and out for an entire half, makes the defense better. I'm not sure how the Alex Apologists don't see it. I also don't believe this Oline is nearly as bad as they make it out to be either. I'm not saying they are great by any means, but Andy Dalton seems to be able to make plays with pressure in his face, as well as the top tier qbs in the league. Smith doesn't look down field, ever. Smith doesn't have the arm strength a pro qb needs. And his game management, his best trait, has been piss poor this season. He needs to go. __________________ Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed, overcomes the fear of death.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-705936	That's another tired mantra though. You don't have to have a superstar at qb in today's league. It's not the force multiplier it once was. But you've gotta have competent play at minimum there. Right now, we dont.
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