Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016

[oaklandhater]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/chiefs/stor...pot-with-smith

SEAN KEELER
Yesterday at 7:14 PM
Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall.

Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible.
You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy.
It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion.
Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million.
As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016.
At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.)
“Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program.
The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money.
To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids.
So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce.
If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Looking at team game single positions 'in a vacuum' is what's bullshit, especially when you assume synergy for some positions and discount it entirely for others.

Truly, I realize that a lot of people see me as an Alex apologist. I'm not. I'm just trying to get people to apply their butthurt evenly.

****, we're a 1/2 step away from blaming moldy hot dogs in the concession stands over vendor despondence over QB performance.

I understand, QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN CIVILIZATION!!!WTFBBQ!!SMURFANAL!!!

It's still a team game.

You are an Alex apologist.

If you're going to watch him play and simply ignore his poor play or pass it off as a byproduct of the failings of others, then there's essentially nothing he could do for you to castigate him right now. That's being an apologist.

When Smith does get a look, he misses it. When he does have a throwing lane, he misfires. When he does have a guy open downfield, he's busy staring at the rush and bailing.

Blaming the WRs at this point doesn't wash. He had guys all over the place during the Broncos and Bears games. I can't speak to the road games because you don't get that view but from the stands, you can see that there are people to throw to...often. He simply won't stand in and make a damn read. Even when he has time, he's looking to quit on the play.

The guy is playing poorly - period. He's doing nothing to help his O-Line either. I'm going to make the same point I made for years with Cassel and that I refrained from using on Smith until this season -

The 1993 KC Chiefs:
Montana -- 298 passes attempted; 12 sacks. 1 sack per 24.83 attempts
Dave Krieg -- 189 passes attempted; 22(!) sacks. 1 sack per 8.59 attemps

Was our line 3 times better when blocking for Joe Montana? Of course not, but Joe Montana made his line better by knowing where to be in the pocket, when to step up and when to throw. He knew how to play the position much better than Krieg.

Smith makes his line worse. His limitations make our playcalling more predictable, which in turn makes everyone worse. Is he the only problem on this team? No, no he is not.

He is, however, easily the biggest problem on this team.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I recall Kyle Orton making our offensive line look pretty good when he took over. That same offensive line that Cassel made look pretty bad. I would prefer Murray, but would be satisfied to see Daniel get a shot behind this O-line to see if there is a difference in the performance level of the line.

Cassel made the line look decent in 2010

it's all about QB play if you hold on to the ball for way to long (Alex Smith) your line is gonna look like trash.

[shakesthecat]

We're Chiefs fans....we never get our wish.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You are an Alex apologist.

If you're going to watch him play and simply ignore his poor play or pass it off as a byproduct of the failings of others, then there's essentially nothing he could do for you to castigate him right now. That's being an apologist.

When Smith does get a look, he misses it. When he does have a throwing lane, he misfires. When he does have a guy open downfield, he's busy staring at the rush and bailing.

Blaming the WRs at this point doesn't wash. He had guys all over the place during the Broncos and Bears games. I can't speak to the road games because you don't get that view but from the stands, you can see that there are people to throw to...often. He simply won't stand in and make a damn read. Even when he has time, he's looking to quit on the play.

The guy is playing poorly - period. He's doing nothing to help his O-Line either. I'm going to make the same point I made for years with Cassel and that I refrained from using on Smith until this season -

The 1993 KC Chiefs:
Montana -- 298 passes attempted; 12 sacks. 1 sack per 24.83 attempts
Dave Krieg -- 189 passes attempted; 22(!) sacks. 1 sack per 8.59 attemps

Was our line 3 times better when blocking for Joe Montana? Of course not, but Joe Montana made his line better by knowing where to be in the pocket, when to step up and when to throw. He knew how to play the position much better than Krieg.

Smith makes his line worse. His limitations make our playcalling more predictable, which in turn makes everyone worse. Is he the only problem on this team? No, no he is not.

He is, however, easily the biggest problem on this team.

He believes in other unsupported beliefs as well, so you have to give him a partial pass.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Like I said, swap defensive coordinators with Denver, and we're at least beating the ****ing Bears and Vikings, and possibly even the Donks.

That shouldn't excuse the need to get a new QB. Or lose out for one, since the season is ****ing dead. Does no good whatsoever to start a rally behind Alex Smith at this point.

Hey, don't look at me. I'm the biggest Wade Phillips fan a Donkey hater can possibly be.

Just because I'm not a constant asshole about it like Claynus and SDAutumnWind doesn't mean I don't have bitterness there.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

If the chiefs draft another LT in the 1st round CP is gonna lost is $hit

How True!

[KCTitus]

...maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce.

If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.

LOL...KC's looking to draft top 5 next year, and this yokel recommends another lineman. I cant do anything but laugh.

I honestly dont know what another TE or #2 WR would do for Smith unless they're running routes behind the LOS. Smith does need help, but I think it's psychological.

[DJ's left nut]

Ultimately I think he still views Alex Smith as though he's Trent Green.

If you gave Trent Green this line and these weapons, he'd succeed. He wouldn't be nearly as good as he was with the God-like line he did have, but he'd be successful. Trent Green was a guy who could be a product of his weapons and even make those weapons a hair better.

Smith isn't. Smith, for whatever reason, has regressed to the point that he's pretty much Matt Cassel 2.0 at this point. He's gunshy, he's inconsistent, he damn sure appears to be losing the lockerroom. Are we really going to say the same stuff that the Cassel apologists were saying until banners were flying overhead?

I hate it. I liked the guy. I wanted him to succeed badly. He's not going to and in fact I suspect it will get much worse the longer he's under center. Those throws the last 2 weeks are just so completely unacceptable. The guy has lost so much that he looks injured back there. If this is who he is now, this may be a 3 win football team.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

LOL...KC's looking to draft top 5 next year, and this yokel recommends another lineman. I cant do anything but laugh.

I honestly dont know what another TE or #2 WR would do for Smith unless they're running routes behind the LOS. Smith does need help, but I think it's psychological.

Albert Wilson broke open clean for a 15 yard gain that would've moved the chains and kept a potential game-winning drive alive.

Smith throw late, he threw low and he threw with absolutely no power behind it.

And then he did it all over again on the next play.

This season has not been about a lack of available weapons. It has not been about guys being unable to get open. Smith simply isn't making the throws. He's the problem.

[keg in kc]

If it's after 2016, nobody's getting their wish.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Has no QB ever came back from Mental issues with the game Drew Brees is the only QB I can think of who has changed his mentality

I've never seen a QB recover once he starts watching the rush.

Once that happens, it's all over. Sure, you could try to put a $40 million O-line in front of him, but why bother with a veteran QB? A) It can't be done because a veteran starting QB runs $15 million/season these days so it's cost prohibitive to build a super-line at that point and B) To what end? Just about any rookie could succeed if given 4 seconds to throw. Just cycle through mid-round QBs at that point.

Once a QB starts watching the pass rush, the amount of clean space he needs around him to feel comfortable and run the offense becomes so great that the QB is effectively paralyzed. He'll never be comfortable and he's shot.

That's where Smith is.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Baby Lee still doesn't get how much a shitty QB brings down an entire team.

Cut him some slack. He's still recovering from a stroke.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Albert Wilson broke open clean for a 15 yard gain that would've moved the chains and kept a potential game-winning drive alive.

Smith throw late, he threw low and he threw with absolutely no power behind it.

And then he did it all over again on the next play.

This season has not been about a lack of available weapons. It has not been about guys being unable to get open. Smith simply isn't making the throws. He's the problem.

I had a buddy texting me that we need more wrs last weekend.

Shit, albert wilson looks fune, even better than I thought. Maclin, kelce, wilson, oshitwhatever, Conley etc. The needs more weapons thing doesn't hold water.

It's paxton lunch 2016 or bust for o.city

[FloridaMan88]

Tank with Alex Smith in 2016, draft UCLA's Josh Rosen #1 overall in 2017.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by O.city

I had a buddy texting me that we need more wrs last weekend.

Did he say 'more' or 'MOAR'? Cuz if just 'more', tell him to GTFO.