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Old 11-01-2015, 08:10 AM  
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:10 PM   #226
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:11 PM   #227
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You don't get how truly terrible the Chargers D is right now.

On the other hand I wouldn't be shocked if the Raiders swept us...
I live here. Im fully aware of the Charger's problems. But our offense isn't exactly prolific and they have the #1 passing offense in the NFL...and our D still gives up big plays in the passing game.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:17 PM   #228
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I live here. Im fully aware of the Charger's problems. But our offense isn't exactly prolific and they have the #1 passing offense in the NFL...and our D still gives up big plays in the passing game.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:21 PM   #229
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Wins in the NFL are never meaningless.

I know that kind of flies in the face of everyone here, but as we've seen with coaching turnover, winning isn't easy.
I am not suggesting we tank. But if we are holding on to tradeable assets we don't plan to keep In 2016 all so we can win 8 games instead of 6, that's part of the reason we never get anywhere.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:31 PM   #230
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A few years ago, I strongly pushed for working for comp picks. A great move because we were really tight on payroll and we'd have a lot of huge contracts going off the books. Doing that this offseason would be stupid. It's a shame but I could see the chiefs doing virtually nothing this offseason in order to salvage comp picks for guys like Sean Smith and chase Daniel and knile. I really hope there wasn't a true offer on the table because it really feels like to me we held on to our chips to salvage an imaginary 2015 playoff run.
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:32 PM   #231
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I'm coming around on this. Look across the parking lot. People wanted to run Ned Yost out of town a few years ago. Horrible in game decisions with bullpen, bunting all the time. #Yosted. Dayton Moore was brought in after being an understudy to a long time GM with a stable winning franchise. Both he and Dorsey started their GM careers with the number one pick and picked a player that started out as a bust but tuned solid if nothing else (Hocheavar/Fisher)

Also in the nfl, tom Coughlin, dick vermeil in STL, Ron Rivera, Marvin Lewis, and probably more are all examples of coaches that fans wanted to ship out that either won the super bowl or are undefeated his year.
I'd like to agree, but Ned and Dayton were doing the right things in the MLB to get it done, and it worked. Unfortunately those same things don't work in the NFL. To me the key difference is that there is no real "farm team" (system) in the NFL. And what people do in the NFL is usually to draft a young QB that fits your system and build a team around him. I know they thought they struck gold with Alex, but it looks like a bust. He might have been better had he not have his dick shoved in the dirt because they failed to give him a decent O-line, but he's traumatized nonetheless. So I don't think this coaching staff can get it done because the the owner sets a tone that' not consistent with building an awesome team.

I wish I could be more optimistic, but the parts he needs to have in place just aren't there, and don't appear to be getting there in time to make it work.
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:44 PM   #232
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I am not suggesting we tank. But if we are holding on to tradeable assets we don't plan to keep In 2016 all so we can win 8 games instead of 6, that's part of the reason we never get anywhere.
This this this this this.
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:45 PM   #233
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A few years ago, I strongly pushed for working for comp picks. A great move because we were really tight on payroll and we'd have a lot of huge contracts going off the books. Doing that this offseason would be stupid. It's a shame but I could see the chiefs doing virtually nothing this offseason in order to salvage comp picks for guys like Sean Smith and chase Daniel and knile. I really hope there wasn't a true offer on the table because it really feels like to me we held on to our chips to salvage an imaginary 2015 playoff run.
At this point, Dorsey and the Chiefs would be foolish to let Sean Smith walk. The defense has improved substantially the past few weeks and Smith has been a playmaker.
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:53 PM   #234
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Jets traded a 2nd round pick and 3 JAG's to move up from 17 to 5. We can trade up without selling the farm, especially if there are 3 QB's and one is still there after the top 5
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:08 PM   #235
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At this point, Dorsey and the Chiefs would be foolish to let Sean Smith walk. The defense has improved substantially the past few weeks and Smith has been a playmaker.
The Chiefs will have some interesting choices to make. They have Sean Smith, Berry, Poe, Howard coming up for contract this offseason. DJ and Hali... I think we lose them.

I previously supported overloading on defense with Alex Smith at QB. But if you want a guy like Aaron Murray or any of the projected first round QBs to succeed , do you start sacrificing some defensive chips so you can invest in offensive talent like an OL?
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Do we re-sign them in 2016? If the answer is no then good chance we backed off of trade chips so we can make a run in 2015. I'll let that sink in for a little bit.

The alternative is that we get comp picks out of these guys. But that only works if we choose not to bring in any new free agents next season and we'd have to wait an extra year to get any benefit there. And that assumes that Hali or DJ don't retire.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:19 PM   #237
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Chase
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Do we re-sign them in 2016? If the answer is no then good chance we backed off of trade chips so we can make a run in 2015. I'll let that sink in for a little bit.

The alternative is that we get comp picks out of these guys. But that only works if we choose not to bring in any new free agents next season and we'd have to wait an extra year to get any benefit there. And that assumes that Hali or DJ don't retire.
The Chiefs will have $40 million in cap space, without restructuring anyone, in 2016. They'll have plenty of room to sign whomever they want.

Knile Davis can hit the road, Hali will be worth half of 2015 ($3 million) IF he doesn't retire and DJ's not going anywhere and will play for less next year as well.

It's pretty silly to worry about such things in early November.
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Dj has been pretty awesome this year, especially coming back from injury.

Even more impressive has been berry.
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The Chiefs will have $40 million in cap space, without restructuring anyone, in 2016. They'll have plenty of room to sign whomever they want.

Knile Davis can hit the road, Hali will be worth half of 2015 ($3 million) IF he doesn't retire and DJ's not going anywhere and will play for less next year as well.

It's pretty silly to worry about such things in early November.
Surely not the 3rd round draft steal Knile Davis.
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