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Old 11-04-2015, 06:32 PM  
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Bye bye Gordon
610 is reporting that Alex Gordon has declined his 2016 option and is a free agent
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:08 PM   #121
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:12 PM   #122
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The Royals are the 29th? largest market in MLB and we started the year at 16th in salary and added Cueto, Zobrist, etc. I doubt we can go much higher.

The TV numbers don't help because we can't renegotiate our shitty deal.

No, but an additional 1 million people in the park is good for at least another $80 million in revenue.

I think 140 is a pretty reasonable mark for the Rpyals, as long as they're drawing that well.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:15 PM   #123
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I thought the royals could talk to him exclusively until Friday and then he becomes unrestricted?
We're not talking about the Royals. Its understood that they have an exclusive negotiation period right now.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:19 PM   #124
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Gordon is not signing anywhere for a three year deal unless he's making an obscene annual average.

He's going to get four years for sure, and likely five. Maybe even six.
Yeah, 4/$75 will almost certainly be the starting point.

If some team wants him badly enough, he may be able to squeeze out a 5th; a 6th seems unlikely.

I'm thinking 5/$90 million is where he ends up. He'll spend some time trying to hit that 9 figure threshhold but I don't think he'll be able to support an AAV that high to get it in 5 years and I figure he's just a little too old to get a 6th (though you may see a team option tacked on there at the end to make the 'paper' value over $100 million).

We're in an era where a guy that was 'worth' $10 million on the open market only 5 years ago is probably worth $15 million now. FA salaries have escalated so much of late that the starting point for anyone with even a little bit of hardware seems to be the Jacoby Ellsbury deal (ugh...**** you, Yankees).

In an environment where the Yankees paid Ellsbury $22 million/season through his age 36 season, the idea that a guy like Gordon's going to take 5 yrs w/ an AAV of $15 million/season is pretty laughable. The guy averaged 6 WAR/season from 2011-2014; he's going to get paid a lot and for a long time.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:28 PM   #125
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No, but an additional 1 million people in the park is good for at least another $80 million in revenue.

I think 140 is a pretty reasonable mark for the Rpyals, as long as they're drawing that well.
Well, I doubt the average person is spending $80, especially since most of the additional 1 million people are mostly in cheaper seats.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:31 PM   #126
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No.

I would go 5/100 for him if that's what it took.
He already makes, what $14-15M? We live in a world where Billy Butler--a not particularly good DH--gets $10M+. Jumping to $20M for Gordon just doesn't seem like that big of a deal in the broad scheme of things. They just won the WS, been to two in a row. They can keep the band together another couple years. DO IT.

On a side note...Holy shit...5 years/$100M...It still seems insane for a baseball player to make $20M+, particularly one that isn't hitting .320 with 40 HRs...but that's where we're at...
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:33 PM   #127
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Well, I doubt the average person is spending $80, especially since most of the additional 1 million people are mostly in cheaper seats.
With food, parking, merch...it might be close.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:34 PM   #128
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Well, I doubt the average person is spending $80, especially since most of the additional 1 million people are mostly in cheaper seats.

I think $50/ticket sold is a pretty reasonable average, $5 for parking, $25 for concessions.
Have been told that's pretty close to the mark.

They've had a large increase in young people attenfing, too. Which equates to more liquor sales.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:35 PM   #129
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Is he worth that kind of deal? I love the guy as a Royal, but could his production be replaced at a lower cost?
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:41 PM   #130
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Is he worth that kind of deal? I love the guy as a Royal, but could his production be replaced at a lower cost?
For the way the Royals play? Boy, it'd be tough.

Most teams value offensive WAR above all else, but the Royals derive so many of their wins through the 'gritty' side of the spectrum - the pressure of speed, premier defense and aggressive baserunning. A guy like Gordon, who's 6 WAR may not be a 'true' 6 WAR on a team like the Cubs, probably does directly contribute 6 wins or so in a healthy season on a team like the Royals because they play in a way where his dWAR and baserunning shares directly influence the ballgame.

Finding another 6 WAR sprinkled among other spots on the team is gonna be damn tough. If you had an in-house option that could give you 3 WAR while being cost controlled, you could get the other 3 WAR in the market somehow but I'm not sure the Royals have that, do they?

Maybe they keep Zobrist on a 3 year deal for $45 million and move Mondesi to 2b? But then you have to factor in the long-term financial costs of starting the arbitration/FA clock on Mondesi. Moreover, you still may want to do that to replace Rios in RF, so you still need to fill LF somehow.

Bottom line is that Moore will probably need to spend some of that WS revenue. The only question he needs to really ask himself is whether or not a long-term deal with Gordon would interfere with their ability to retain Hosmer, Moustakas and Cain. The worst thing a team can do is hold onto the 'last wave' too long and in the process cost themselves part of their next core.

The Royals may just be wise to expect that the rest of the Central will underperform again, keep their powder dry, win the central by a couple fewer games next year and rely on another post-season hot streak to advance through October.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:47 PM   #131
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No, but an additional 1 million people in the park is good for at least another $80 million in revenue.
And this does not include postseason or postseason TV revenue.

If they resign Zobrist, Young and Gordon, they'll likely surpass the 3 million mark in 2016 and if they get to another World Series, it'll happen again in 2017.

It seems like a no-brainer to me but then again, I'm not deeply knowledgeable about MLB's salary scale.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:49 PM   #132
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I think $50/ticket sold is a pretty reasonable average, $5 for parking, $25 for concessions.
Have been told that's pretty close to the mark.

They've had a large increase in young people attenfing, too. Which equates to more liquor sales.
The new Craft & Draft pub probably was a nice bump too
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Old 11-05-2015, 02:07 PM   #133
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The Royals are the 29th? largest market in MLB and we started the year at 16th in salary and added Cueto, Zobrist, etc. I doubt we can go much higher.
The TV numbers don't help because we can't renegotiate our shitty deal.
I thought the t.v. deal only had 1 more year to it.
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We're not talking about the Royals. Its understood that they have an exclusive negotiation period right now.
Ah... gotcha. Thanks.
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I thought the t.v. deal only had 1 more year to it.
Nope, four more ****ing years. Royals are locked in at $20M in TV revenue every year. Compare that to $250M for the Dodgers. Brutal.
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