MU ****Official 2015 Missouri Tigers Football Thread**** - Page 128

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:48 PM

After seizing the Citrus Bowl from Jerry Kill and the Minnesota Golden Gophers, the Missouri Tigers finish 11-3.

Italics=Likely sign and place
Bold=JUCO recruit

Key Recruits:

2016 Class:

Spoiler!

Schedule:

9/5: SEMO
9/12 @Ark St.
9/19: UConn
9/26: @Kentucky
10/3: South Carolina
10/10: Florida
10/17 @ Georgia
10/24: @ Vandy
10/31: Bye
11/5 (Thu): Mississippi State
11/14: BYU (@ Arrowhead)
11/21: Tennessee
11/28: @Arkansas

duncan_idaho · 11-10-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Kim Anderson doesn't like it when guys where hoodies indoors or slouch in their chairs. He suspends black athletes for cussing and not going to class. There was only 1 white guy on the team last year and he didn't get suspended.

KIM ANDERSON IS A RACIST!! C'mon, 1950! The time to effectuate change is now!

I would be fine with them calling out Anderson's white privilege. I mean, clearly, admins who pushed for a guy that out of touch with today's kid are part of the problem, right?

I agree completely with your take on Pinkel. I've got friends from the j-school still scattered around the country (and from different parts of the country, originally) who speak very highly of the way Pinkel has handled himself in this situation.

And you know what? I think Pinkel honestly connects with his players a little here. Having been at Kent State directly after the violence there (and seeing him talk about how that protest affected his views on the Vietnam war/taking the government's word at face value), I think he has some common ground.

DJ's left nut · 11-10-2015, 10:43 AM

Read a fairly mediocre article with a great line - the problem with a mob is that once they get what they want, they tend to start attacking the insufficiently enthusiastic.

That's what happened here with Wolfe - look at all the rhetoric surrounding his ouster. He didn't respond loudly enough. Didn't respond quickly enough. It does appear that they realized mid-stream that they couldn't support their rhetoric about systematic racism so they just flipped the switch to 'he didn't hate racism enough'.

Fragile, fragile little snowflakes. Oh sure, most protesters these days are pretty much just protesting about things that 90% of the populace already hates....but that 90% might not hate it enough.

ChiefsCountry · 11-10-2015, 10:44 AM

From an outsiders perspective I think Pinkel handled it fine. You really got to stand behind your players. It will also look good when you go into prospective recruits homes as well knowing coach has your back.

Academia world can go choke on a dick. I'm so glad at Missouri State we don't have an academia type running our school. Campus is booming, donors are giving at an all time, buildings are getting build, old ones getting renovated. Student population is growing. Government relations in Jeff City at all time. Relationship with Mizzou is strongest its ever been. And guess what academics are doing well. Just awesome to see and not in some fairy tale academia world.

**notorious** · 11-10-2015, 10:50 AM

If Pinkel didn't back his players it would cripple his future recruiting.

Whether he believes in the cause or not, it was a no-brainer.

NewChief · 11-10-2015, 10:51 AM

Damn, I'm trying to maintain my leftist sympathies for righteous causes and shit, but these people are making it really, really hard to root for them:

It's typically white media who don't understand the importance of respecting black spaces.
— ConcernedStudent1950 (@CS_1950) November 9, 2015

If you have a problem with us wanting to have our spaces that we create respected, leave!
— ConcernedStudent1950 (@CS_1950) November 9, 2015

And

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As he tried to defend his right to be there, Ms. Basler explained, “You are infringing on what they need right now, which is to be alone.”

They really need to let someone with more PR savvy take over their account. This person comes off so poorly.

Mizzou_8541 · 11-10-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Damn, I'm trying to maintain my leftist sympathies for righteous causes and shit, but these people are making it really, really hard to root for them:

It's typically white media who don't understand the importance of respecting black spaces.
— ConcernedStudent1950 (@CS_1950) November 9, 2015

If you have a problem with us wanting to have our spaces that we create respected, leave!
— ConcernedStudent1950 (@CS_1950) November 9, 2015

And

They really need to let someone with more PR savvy take over their account. This person comes off so poorly.

To be clear, they are in a public space, correct?

**petegz28** · 11-10-2015, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Damn, I'm trying to maintain my leftist sympathies for righteous causes and shit, but these people are making it really, really hard to root for them:

It's typically white media who don't understand the importance of respecting black spaces.
— ConcernedStudent1950 (@CS_1950) November 9, 2015

If you have a problem with us wanting to have our spaces that we create respected, leave!
— ConcernedStudent1950 (@CS_1950) November 9, 2015

Nothing like using racism to fight racism

NewChief · 11-10-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

To be clear, they are in a public space, correct?

Yes. Exactly.

A public space that they've now "claimed" as their own. And we all need to respect that the space is now theirs until they deem it okay for us to enter it again.

Even though they've been basically begging for media attention and publicity for the cause and are engaged in an act that is going to bring publicity. Now that the public sentiment is swaying against them and there's blowback, though, we have to respect their desire for privacy in a public space.

Mizzou_8541 · 11-10-2015, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Yes. Exactly.

A public space that they've now "claimed" as their own. And we all need to respect that the space is now theirs until they deem it okay for us to enter it again.

Even though they've been basically begging for media attention and publicity for the cause and are engaged in an act that is going to bring publicity. Now that the public sentiment is swaying against them and there's blowback, though, we have to respect their desire for privacy in a public space.

I laughed (and totally agree). This is going from sad, to out of control, to WTF pretty quickly.

**notorious** · 11-10-2015, 10:59 AM

Just remember not to judge people that oppose your opinion because of the small % of idiots.

It's hard to believe that college educated people can be that stupid, though.

DJ's left nut · 11-10-2015, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewChief

Yes. Exactly.

A public space that they've now "claimed" as their own. And we all need to respect that the space is now theirs until they deem it okay for us to enter it again.

Even though they've been basically begging for media attention and publicity for the cause and are engaged in an act that is going to bring publicity. Now that the public sentiment is swaying against them and there's blowback, though, we have to respect their desire for privacy in a public space.

It's not even the main quad - they're on the damn lawn space between the Alumni center and the law school - i.e. the spot I walked several thousand ****ing times to get from my car to class over 3 years. We'd go out there to throw the ball around and work of steam during finals weeks and especially right before big papers (which is what the 1Ls are up to right now; their final writing assignment is due before Thanksgiving break and that paper is a stress-inducing nightmare).

I'd be pissed beyond words if I still went to school down there.

**ChiTown** · 11-10-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Nothing like using racism to fight racism

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What a ****ing joke of a movement.

Sully · 11-10-2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I would be fine with them calling out Anderson's white privilege. I mean, clearly, admins who pushed for a guy that out of touch with today's kid are part of the problem, right?

I agree completely with your take on Pinkel. I've got friends from the j-school still scattered around the country (and from different parts of the country, originally) who speak very highly of the way Pinkel has handled himself in this situation.

And you know what? I think Pinkel honestly connects with his players a little here. Having been at Kent State directly after the violence there (and seeing him talk about how that protest affected his views on the Vietnam war/taking the government's word at face value), I think he has some common ground.

Kind of a reach, here, but do you think this whole thing actually helps Mizzou Athletics get rid of the racist label St Louis has had on them for years?

DJ's left nut · 11-10-2015, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

I laughed (and totally agree). This is going from sad, to out of control, to WTF pretty quickly.

I will never understand how the hell people didn't see what this was the moment they read the list of demands.

Demanding that the President of the entire University of Missouri system "acknowledge his white privilege" is batty as shit.

Did they really think this was just some well-meaning group of dissenters? No, this is a fanatic fringe group. It's the ideological polar opposite of the group that went around campus and stuck crosses into the lawn for every child aborted in Missouri. Jonathan Butler is no more righteous than Brother Jed was when he spent a decade proselytizing on Speakers Circle every day (and Brother Jed was batshit but at least funny).

Having strong convictions does nothing to make you in the right. People strongly believe (and are willing to die for) crazy shit every day. People were so caught up in how much this kid seemed to care about his cause that they didn't look past the surface of the cause itself to see if it made any sense. It didn't take more than a cursory examination to see that this is just wildly overblown inflammatory horseshit.

Sadly, the media gave them the momentum they needed and now they've fully bought into their own narrative.

Please please please keep this movement in the spotlight. They'll cut their own legs out from under themselves in spectacular fashion.

**Reaper16** · 11-10-2015, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I will never understand how the hell people didn't see what this was the moment they read the list of demands.

Demanding that the President of the entire University of Missouri system "acknowledge his white privilege" is batty as shit.

Did they really think this was just some well-meaning group of dissenters? No, this is a fanatic fringe group. It's the ideological polar opposite of the group that went around campus and stuck crosses into the lawn for every child aborted in Missouri. Jonathan Butler is no more righteous than Brother Jed was when he spent a decade proselytizing on Speakers Circle every day (and Brother Jed was batshit but at least funny).

Having strong convictions does nothing to make you in the right. People strongly believe (and are willing to die for) crazy shit every day. People were so caught up in how much this kid seemed to care about his cause that they didn't look past the surface of the cause itself to see if it made any sense. It didn't take more than a cursory examination to see that this is just wildly overblown inflammatory horseshit.

Sadly, the media gave them the momentum they needed and now they've fully bought into their own narrative.

Please please please keep this movement in the spotlight. They'll cut their own legs out from under themselves in spectacular fashion.

You ought to realize if you don't already that your feelings towards persons of color isn't masked by your vocabulary. Holy shit this is transparent.

01-01-2015, 03:09 PM
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11-10-2015, 10:43 AM	#1907
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-900901	Read a fairly mediocre article with a great line - the problem with a mob is that once they get what they want, they tend to start attacking the insufficiently enthusiastic. That's what happened here with Wolfe - look at all the rhetoric surrounding his ouster. He didn't respond loudly enough. Didn't respond quickly enough. It does appear that they realized mid-stream that they couldn't support their rhetoric about systematic racism so they just flipped the switch to 'he didn't hate racism enough'. Fragile, fragile little snowflakes. Oh sure, most protesters these days are pretty much just protesting about things that 90% of the populace already hates....but that 90% might not hate it enough. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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11-10-2015, 10:44 AM	#1908
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1661248	From an outsiders perspective I think Pinkel handled it fine. You really got to stand behind your players. It will also look good when you go into prospective recruits homes as well knowing coach has your back. Academia world can go choke on a dick. I'm so glad at Missouri State we don't have an academia type running our school. Campus is booming, donors are giving at an all time, buildings are getting build, old ones getting renovated. Student population is growing. Government relations in Jeff City at all time. Relationship with Mizzou is strongest its ever been. And guess what academics are doing well. Just awesome to see and not in some fairy tale academia world.
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11-10-2015, 10:50 AM	#1909
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-1044116	If Pinkel didn't back his players it would cripple his future recruiting. Whether he believes in the cause or not, it was a no-brainer.
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11-10-2015, 10:59 AM	#1915
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-1044116	Just remember not to judge people that oppose your opinion because of the small % of idiots. It's hard to believe that college educated people can be that stupid, though.
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