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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-12-2015, 11:51 AM   #361
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Lol Bradley isn't an upgrade to Dyson?
Nope, not really.

Dyson gets the benefit of platoon playing, but look at his WAR #'s per plate appearances. It's hard to believe he would be below 2 WAR for an entire year, even if he was exposed a bit playing 80% of the time.
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Old 11-12-2015, 11:52 AM   #362
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I love the idea of getting Andrelton Simmons. He's the best SS in the game defensively. You could move Escobar to 2B and when his contract is up, use Mondesi. But that is an outside of the box move, and no way they would do that considering it would hurt Escobars feelings and he just won the AL Gold Glove.

Imagine this line up, and this defense. It wouldn't really even matter who your SP was as long as they threw strikes

Gordon, LF
Hosmer, 1B
Cain, RF
Morales, DH
Moose, 3B
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Simmons, SS
Escobar, 2B
Dyson, CF

That would just be sick. SICK.
Why would you give up so much for a One trick pony like Simmons when you have a kid like Mondesi Jr. just around the corner that brings a Great glove AND other skills.... and he costs nothing? Simmons makes zero sense.
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Old 11-12-2015, 11:55 AM   #363
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Why would you give up so much for a One trick pony like Simmons when you have a kid like Mondesi Jr. just around the corner that brings a Great glove AND other skills.... and he costs nothing? Simmons makes zero sense.
I agree. If we want elite middle infield defense, all we have to do is call up Mondesi. Then we don't have to pay 53MM over five years for a .660 ops bat + elite defense.
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:06 PM   #364
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Why would you give up so much for a One trick pony like Simmons when you have a kid like Mondesi Jr. just around the corner that brings a Great glove AND other skills.... and he costs nothing? Simmons makes zero sense.
Mondesi to me, is at least 2 years away. If you made him play everyday he would probably hit .180 next year. Look, they arent getting Simmons. But it would be fun to imagine and I have no idea what it would take to get him, but his contract isnt bad.
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:08 PM   #365
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Mondesi to me, is at least 2 years away.
UH, HE'S ALREADY PLAYED IN THE WORLD SERIES. HELLO.
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UH, HE'S ALREADY PLAYED IN THE WORLD SERIES. HELLO.
So? Terrence Gore played last year and he was probably 3 years from the show then. Doesnt mean much.
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:10 PM   #367
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Rumor is the Dodgers are making the strongest play for Simmons by offering to eat either Swisher or Bourne (15M for either) in any deal. That's what still sucks about mlb - large payrolls don't just outbid you for FA, they offer stronger trade deals by absorbing contracts you can't
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Mondesi to me, is at least 2 years away. If you made him play everyday he would probably hit .180 next year. Look, they arent getting Simmons. But it would be fun to imagine and I have no idea what it would take to get him, but his contract isnt bad.
So you take the money and give it to Zobrist. Zobrist at 2B and Escobar (the gold glove winning ALCS MVP) at short makes a helluva lot more sense.

That formula worked out pretty well in the ALDS, ALCS, and World Series.

Then when Zobrist is done, Mondesi will be ready.
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So you take the money and give it to Zobrist. Zobrist at 2B and Escobar (the gold glove winning ALCS MVP) at short makes a helluva lot more sense.

Then when Zobrist is done, Mondesi will be ready.
Yeah I think that is ideal if Zobrist will take a 2-year contract, but he probably wants 4.
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Yeah I think that is ideal if Zobrist will take a 2-year contract, but he probably wants 4.
I think he'll get a 3/$51MM type offer. 4 years for a guy that turns 35 in May is not good business. Hell, I don't know that he gets 3 years from ANYONE if he doesn't have the type of success he had after the Royals acquired him.
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Lol Bradley isn't an upgrade to Dyson?

Not a huge one, necessarily. Dyson has provided great value with his d, similar to BRADLEY. The only separating factor at this point is that BRADLEY is younger and had one great month at the dish.
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Not a huge one, necessarily. Dyson has provided great value with his d, similar to BRADLEY. The only separating factor at this point is that BRADLEY is younger and had one great month at the dish.
That, and Bradley can't touch Dyson on the base-path
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I love the idea of getting Andrelton Simmons. He's the best SS in the game defensively. You could move Escobar to 2B and when his contract is up, use Mondesi. But that is an outside of the box move, and no way they would do that considering it would hurt Escobars feelings and he just won the AL Gold Glove.

Imagine this line up, and this defense. It wouldn't really even matter who your SP was as long as they threw strikes

Gordon, LF
Hosmer, 1B
Cain, RF
Morales, DH
Moose, 3B
Perez, C
Simmons, SS
Escobar, 2B
Dyson, CF

That would just be sick. SICK.
This lineup is weaker than anything we consistently put out this past season and well below what we fielded when Zobrist got here so I don't see the appeal.

Also, as crazy as trading for Simmons and moving Esky to 2B is, the craziest thing in your post is not having Esky bat leadoff.
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Not a huge one, necessarily. Dyson has provided great value with his d, similar to BRADLEY. The only separating factor at this point is that BRADLEY is younger and had one great month at the dish.
and also you have to spell BRADLEY capitalized.
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This lineup is weaker than anything we consistently put out this past season and well below what we fielded when Zobrist got here so I don't see the appeal.

Also, as crazy as trading for Simmons and moving Esky to 2B is, the craziest thing in your post is not having Esky bat leadoff.
Not this shit again..

Just because you've won with using him lead off before, doesn't mean it's the right decision. Batting Escobar #1 and giving him the most at bats on the team is reeruned, it's always going to be reeruned, unless he's one of the best offensive players on your team, which is clearly isn't.

When I mean that line up would be sick, I should clarify, obviously wouldn't be #1 offensively but it's still solid. Just two years ago Simmons hit 17 home runs, and he's a contact hitter who doesn't strike out either. That entire line up puts the ball in play and would just be a grind for any starting pitcher. That would be the best defense in the league, by far. Every single one of those guys could win a Gold Glove next year. Moose is by far the worst defensive player in that lineup, and he's still above avg.
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