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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-19-2015, 03:22 PM   #616
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From somebody who doesn't know much about the development of baseball players, would it be fair to say that his work in the majors might resemble Moustakas, who has taken awhile to figure out his bat and has faced a lot of ups and downs and frustrations from fans in his career thus far?
Not really. Moustakas put up some huge numbers in the minors. George Springer is a good comparison, though. Both are really "toolsy" guys who took some time to click and had things come together at age 23 after big struggles early.

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Gordon is a lot like Carl Crawford statistically. Here's what happened to him:

5 years before FA: 25 WAR
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5 years after FA: 6 WAR


Yes, his age 30-34 seasons have produced a total of 6 WAR. All for the low low price of $97 million. He's got 2 more years at $42 million left.
I don't think Crawford is a really good comparison for Gordon, in that he was a speed/wheels guy who couldn't recover from losing a few steps.

Gordon's value would take a hit from him losing a step, but he's less vulnerable to aging than a speed demon like Crawford.

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That thing is awful on many levels, one of the more egregious being a projection of 5 years, $108 million for Ben Zobrist (and to the Padres!). That shit isn't happening.




Every team is represented but I just thought it was interesting so see the Royals theoretical moves from the exercise.
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:28 PM   #617
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Who gives a shit if we get killed after 2017? The odds of us competing for a WS then are small anyway. I can live with a few down years while we struggle through a Gordon contract to keep this core together for 2 more years. It's the same concept as trading away valuable prospects for Cueto and Zobrist. Win now while we have this window.
I completely disagree with this. I give a shit if we get killed after 2017.

You could look at 2015 and easily conclude that Alex Gordon's decline has already begun. I don't want my favorite team to be stuck with a horrific contract that would make it impossible for them to be competitive after 2017.

Dayton Moore's strategy is to build up the farm system and then keep a continuous pipeline of talent flowing to the MLB team. I see no reason to abandon that strategy now.
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:56 PM   #618
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I really hope Bubba makes it to KC.

My Son's nickname is Bubba, last name Starling.

Of course, my son is already pushing me for a jersey.
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Old 11-19-2015, 04:00 PM   #619
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I really hope Bubba makes it to KC.

My Son's nickname is Bubba, last name Starling.

Of course, my son is already pushing me for a jersey.
We have always called my youngest bubba, his sister started it lol. He even tells people his name is bubba and if you knew my last name it sounds even more redneck lol.
A couple years ago they had starling shirts that had the number 1 and instead of starling on t he back they said bubba.

I bought him every size they had lol.
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Old 11-19-2015, 04:33 PM   #620
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Old 11-19-2015, 04:39 PM   #621
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We have always called my youngest bubba, his sister started it lol. He even tells people his name is bubba and if you knew my last name it sounds even more redneck lol.
A couple years ago they had starling shirts that had the number 1 and instead of starling on t he back they said bubba.

I bought him every size they had lol.
I don't remember how my son's nickname came about.

He was always small so I think it was born out of irony. He's 17, 5'4" 100lbs

Kinda like how you call a big guy Tiny.
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