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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-22-2015, 01:57 PM   #676
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Any Rule 5 guys that the Royals could look into to filling in part of their bullpen piece?
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:51 AM   #677
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MLB Annual meeting starts in less than two weeks. Most player agents will be there. I'd like to think some players would like the chance to play for a world title. Any predictions on the Royals making deals during the meetings? Duncan, with your inside sources, I'd like to hear your take.
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:59 AM   #678
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Any Rule 5 guys that the Royals could look into to filling in part of their bullpen piece?
You might be interested in reading THIS.

Not sure they get in on any of those guys, those the Cardinals guy appeals to me.

I also will chip in on the Rex Brothers train. Huge potential/great stuff.
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:08 AM   #679
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:09 AM   #680
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It would have to be someone that no one outside the NL Central wants
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:14 AM   #681
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MLB Annual meeting starts in less than two weeks. Most player agents will be there. I'd like to think some players would like the chance to play for a world title. Any predictions on the Royals making deals during the meetings? Duncan, with your inside sources, I'd like to hear your take.
My best sources are mostly quiet during the offseason, but I still beat the bushes for info (ie, read everything I can)...

I think the Royals re-sign Zobrist to something like 3/$50 (maybe 3/48 with a a $4 million buyout/$18 million team option).

I think Gordon gets a six-year deal somewhere that isn't KC (Anaheim makes a lot of sense).

I think they otherwise stand pat in the OF, with a Dyson/Orlando/Eibner approach to RF, waiting on Bubba Starling (though I still love the idea of kicking the tires on Osuna and seeing if you can get him for a lower cost than initially reported... something like Miguel Almonte for him would be pretty do-able, IMO. Maybe they'd have interest in a Tim Collins or Louis Coleman as a throw-in).

I think they add one SP we don't expect, maybe even Ian Kennedy. With the Royals likely to get a comp pick for Gordon, this might be a year they decide they can sign the RIGHT guy and lose their first rounder, as the value between the comp pick for Gordon and their original first-rounder wouldn't be that different.

I think two bullpen spots, the UTIL IF, and the 4th and 5th OF spots are all filled with internal options (Colon, Coleman, Flynn, Dyson, Orlando would be my guess), leaving two open OF spots, backup C, one SP, and one RP as the primary targets in FA/winter meetings.
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:41 AM   #682
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My best sources are mostly quiet during the offseason, but I still beat the bushes for info (ie, read everything I can)...

I think the Royals re-sign Zobrist to something like 3/$50 (maybe 3/48 with a a $4 million buyout/$18 million team option).

I think Gordon gets a six-year deal somewhere that isn't KC (Anaheim makes a lot of sense).

I think they otherwise stand pat in the OF, with a Dyson/Orlando/Eibner approach to RF, waiting on Bubba Starling (though I still love the idea of kicking the tires on Osuna and seeing if you can get him for a lower cost than initially reported... something like Miguel Almonte for him would be pretty do-able, IMO. Maybe they'd have interest in a Tim Collins or Louis Coleman as a throw-in).

I think they add one SP we don't expect, maybe even Ian Kennedy. With the Royals likely to get a comp pick for Gordon, this might be a year they decide they can sign the RIGHT guy and lose their first rounder, as the value between the comp pick for Gordon and their original first-rounder wouldn't be that different.

I think two bullpen spots, the UTIL IF, and the 4th and 5th OF spots are all filled with internal options (Colon, Coleman, Flynn, Dyson, Orlando would be my guess), leaving two open OF spots, backup C, one SP, and one RP as the primary targets in FA/winter meetings.
thanks for the feedback.

Would love for Zobrist to be retained but what to do with Omar? I'd understand if Gordon is gone.

You mention Eibner as an OF possibility but what about Lane Adams and Jose Martinez?

Louis Coleman pitched 63 innings in Omaha with a 1.69 ERA. Hope he's figured it out.

Too bad Flynn got hurt. Will he be able to get his stuff back and be able to help the Royals pen?

I'd hate for them to trade either Zimmer or Almonte (but, in DM we trust). Hope Zimmer makes it to the big leagues in 2016.
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:02 AM   #684
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I predict Pelfrey signs here.
Also a good call. He'd be a solid, Chris Young-like back-end signing. Wichita kid, too.

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thanks for the feedback.

Would love for Zobrist to be retained but what to do with Omar? I'd understand if Gordon is gone.

You mention Eibner as an OF possibility but what about Lane Adams and Jose Martinez?

Louis Coleman pitched 63 innings in Omaha with a 1.69 ERA. Hope he's figured it out.

Too bad Flynn got hurt. Will he be able to get his stuff back and be able to help the Royals pen?

I'd hate for them to trade either Zimmer or Almonte (but, in DM we trust). Hope Zimmer makes it to the big leagues in 2016.
Zobrist would play some OF if brought back and Gordon is not. His positional flexibility would give them a lot of insurance at multiple spots... and if Infante is absolutely terrible again, you can slide Zobrist to 2B on most days (or Colon) if necessary.

I don't think Lane Adams is a legitimate MLB option, or Jose Martinez. Eibner COULD be, though I think it's likely he's more of a poverty Drew Stubbs than anything else (decent 4th OF who is a threat vs. lefties).

Zimmer will be in KC in 2016. It wouldn't surprise me to see them use him out of the pen to start the season (either in KC or Omaha), gradually stretching him out as the season goes on to make sure he's ready for 175 innings in 2017, as a SP.
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He pitched 19 innings in 2012 and 29 innings in 2014. Since 2016 is an even numbered year, I'd sign him for 2017 only. JK
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It's the Wichita connection that seals Pelfrey for me, and he showed he was healthy (as he's gonna be) last year. Really fits the Young profile. I mean this one is a slam dunk.


Any ideas on corner OF???
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It's the Wichita connection that seals Pelfrey for me, and he showed he was healthy (as he's gonna be) last year. Really fits the Young profile. I mean this one is a slam dunk.


Any ideas on corner OF???


Pelfrey sucks fellas. He gave up 198 hits in 164 innings at like 4.6 era.... He only pitched well AGAINST us.
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It's the Wichita connection that seals Pelfrey for me, and he showed he was healthy (as he's gonna be) last year. Really fits the Young profile. I mean this one is a slam dunk.


Any ideas on corner OF???
Other than Zobrist getting some time there if re-signed, at least at the start of the season (unless they do a bad contract swap on Infante), I'd think Parra is an option. And perhaps a trade for someone like Osuna if the price becomes more reasonable.
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Pelfrey sucks fellas. He gave up 198 hits in 164 innings at like 4.6 era.... He only pitched well AGAINST us.
He's being floated as rotational depth, not a key piece. At least in my mind (and I think in PB's).

If he's your No. 6/7 starter to start the season, that's pretty OK.
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He's being floated as rotational depth, not a key piece. At least in my mind (and I think in PB's).

If he's your No. 6/7 starter to start the season, that's pretty OK.
I hear ya....but let's do the bigger ticket shopping first.
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