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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
![]() Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB. In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title. Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore. We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa. Now, let's talk about the offseason: LINK TO 2016-18 PAYROLL INFO COURTESY OF ROYALS REVIEW The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully). First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts. Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things. If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc. I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk. Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth? Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years. Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list). Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period. The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer. I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be: 1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160). Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura) 2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016. Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell. After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart. 3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season. 4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time. And, as always, here are the Prospects: Duncan’s Top 20 for 2016:
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Preller really ****ed that team up last year. ****ing opt-out clauses....MLB already has fully guaranteed contracts and now they're getting opt out closes included on even the mid-range FAs. It's hard to cry for owners when there's this much money in the system, but the MLBPA sure has cut some sweet deals for their players.
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It appears to me that the Royals are positioning themselves to pick up someone in the Rule 5 draft. I believe they only have 38 people on the 40 man roster right now. With numerous gaps to fill in the bullpen, a spot in the rotation, LF, RF, and potentially 2b, I suppose it would make sense to look at low-cost options such as a Rule 5 candidate. Would anyone care to speculate on who they may be targeting?
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Players are getting screwed. 39% of league revenues, down from 50% historically.
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The MLBPA has never really concerned themselves with those guys, they're more worried about FAs. The cost of a win share on the open market is keeping pace with the increase in inflation. So 'players' in general aren't getting screwed - a small subset of them are; guys with 1-3 years of MLB service time.
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Who cares what the reasons are? They got 50% for decades after FA was granted and now it's fallen. Any Union worth its salt will reverse that or strike.
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The reasons are absolutely critical to how it's addressed. The veterans control the influence of the MLBPA, not the young pups. The MLBPA isn't going to do a damn thing to deal with the 1-3 year players as it would act to the detriment of the veteran players (just as the NFLPA had no problem blowing apart the Rookie wage scale to further benefit the veterans). The MLBPA will focus their efforts on adding the DH to the NL (another 15 jobs for aging veterans that can't play the field anymore) and the elimination of the QO that has served to suppress salaries for middle-tier FAs who are tagged with it. They'll burn their capital up there.
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The reason they're not getting as much revenue has little to with the FA/arb divide. It's owners paying massive amounts for teams (and in many cases, their share of renovations) instead of on payroll.
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I wonder if KC would consider a bad contract swap with San Diego, or Vice-Versa.
San Diego gets Infante plus a prospect of minor value, KC gets Shields and $15 million over the life of that deal. KC gets a guy who can be a No. 3-type starter for three more years, San Diego gets $48 million in salary relief.
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So the Padres get $34 million in salary relief. They also only get 2 years of a replacement level player vs. 3 years of, what, 2.0-2.5 WAR/season pitching? Conservatively let's say Shields is probably a 2 WAR pitcher for the next 3 seasons, yielding a total of 6 WAR. It's close. If I'm the Padres I probably don't make that deal because at the very least they're only dealing with a 3 year obligation. If you can get wins at 6 million/win share on a term of only 3 years, you're doing okay. Hell, most models put it at about $7 million/win now (and some even at $8 million per). Most of the time you'll have to take a substantially larger gamble than that by going to 4-5 years. I also think there's a decent chance that Shields is more of a 2.5 WAR pitcher over those 3 years, shifting the calculus pretty strongly against SD. It would be an offer worth making, but if I'm SD, I wouldn't give the $15 million kicker. I figure if I'm taking on Infante, you're getting Shields for 3/$50 million (because I'm getting nothing back in Infante; dude is straight up replacement level). If Shields is a 2 WAR/season pitcher, you're looking at the higher side of the wins/season $$, but that would be expected due to the fairly short term.
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Infante and a plate of ribs?
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He could fill Jeremy Guthrie's role of eating 200+ innings while giving our bullpen some much needed relief. Davis, Herrera and Holland were all ridden hard over the past two seasons (not at all the fault of Yost, but this is inevitable when you make two runs into deep October). If the Royals can find a way to get the Padres to eat some of that contract, there's a decent chance that Dayton would be interested. |
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Throw in Wil Myers while you're at it, because it would be pretty funny if Myers came back to KC with Shields and finally became the stud everyone envisioned.
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