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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-07-2015, 12:04 PM   #1066
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Old 12-07-2015, 12:29 PM   #1067
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Young is a good signing. Not sure how to feel about Soria though.
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Old 12-07-2015, 01:01 PM   #1068
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Young is a good signing. Not sure how to feel about Soria though.
Holland is out. Herrera may be trade bait. Madsen is gone. The Royals' formula for winning includes having the best bullpen in baseball.

Seems like a pretty solid move to me.
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Old 12-07-2015, 01:05 PM   #1069
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Old 12-07-2015, 01:06 PM   #1070
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Holland is out. Herrera may be trade bait. Madsen is gone. The Royals' formula for winning includes having the best bullpen in baseball.

Seems like a pretty solid move to me.
Soria was pretty daggum good last year.
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Old 12-07-2015, 01:09 PM   #1071
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Duffys control was the problem. Seems like he is either going to be great or suck in either role depending on his control.
What's the report on his breaking stuff?

When I've seen him pitch, he's looked like a guy that's an out pitch removed from being dominant. His fastball is at least an above average pitch and his changeup was solid/average as well (not enough drop to be true out pitch to my eyes). His breaking ball seemed like it had a chance to be that putaway pitch he needed to finish off ABs but it hasn't come along that way.

A lefty with a mid 90's fastball and solid change should be able to get a lot more strikeouts but it always seemed like Duffy was having to battle through ABs when I saw him. Those long ABs will tax a starter pretty badly and frankly, if he can't get a breaker he relies on, perhaps being a 2-pitch reliever and maybe developing his change into more of a split-change grip (to get more drop) would take him to the next level.

Duffy just reminds me of Affeldt when he was in KC (though he's been more successful than Affeldt). You watch him throw and just wonder why he's not a little better than he is.
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What's the report on his breaking stuff?

When I've seen him pitch, he's looked like a guy that's an out pitch removed from being dominant. His fastball is at least an above average pitch and his changeup was solid/average as well (not enough drop to be true out pitch to my eyes). His breaking ball seemed like it had a chance to be that putaway pitch he needed to finish off ABs but it hasn't come along that way.

A lefty with a mid 90's fastball and solid change should be able to get a lot more strikeouts but it always seemed like Duffy was having to battle through ABs when I saw him. Those long ABs will tax a starter pretty badly and frankly, if he can't get a breaker he relies on, perhaps being a 2-pitch reliever and maybe developing his change into more of a split-change grip (to get more drop) would take him to the next level.

Duffy just reminds me of Affeldt when he was in KC (though he's been more successful than Affeldt). You watch him throw and just wonder why he's not a little better than he is.
Duffy's problem is between his ears.
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What's the report on his breaking stuff?

When I've seen him pitch, he's looked like a guy that's an out pitch removed from being dominant. His fastball is at least an above average pitch and his changeup was solid/average as well (not enough drop to be true out pitch to my eyes). His breaking ball seemed like it had a chance to be that putaway pitch he needed to finish off ABs but it hasn't come along that way.

A lefty with a mid 90's fastball and solid change should be able to get a lot more strikeouts but it always seemed like Duffy was having to battle through ABs when I saw him. Those long ABs will tax a starter pretty badly and frankly, if he can't get a breaker he relies on, perhaps being a 2-pitch reliever and maybe developing his change into more of a split-change grip (to get more drop) would take him to the next level.

Duffy just reminds me of Affeldt when he was in KC (though he's been more successful than Affeldt). You watch him throw and just wonder why he's not a little better than he is.
Duffy's curve is overrated. It has some break, but it's not what it was pimped to be coming through the minors. Just don't think there is any real deception with it, so it's relatively easy to track out of the hand.
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Duffy's problem is between his ears.
People said that about Lynn for years - turns out he just didn't have a good way to get lefties out.

Sometimes what appears to be a mental issue really is an arsenal problem. Duffy's giving up a .340+ career OBP against off-handed hitters and with so much of baseball being RH, that's obviously a hell of a problem.

He doesn't appear to be shying away from RH hitters (he comes inside against them more than in years past). That's usually the first thing to look for with guys that are mentally defeated by off-handed hitters - they pitch away, away, away over and over again.

It could be that he's now psyched out by them, so in that regard, perhaps it's a mental problem...but one borne of a lack of available options. If he could tinker with his breaker or change (really, the change should be his best weapon against RHers), perhaps he could break through that wall.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a lot of selection bias at this level. Most guys that are truly soft just don't get this far. Generally when something appears to be mental, especially with pitchers, its really just a problem with his arsenal and an innate knowledge that he's fighting uphill against every RHer. If he could just have a little more success against RHers, it may be what puts him over the top.
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Duffy's curve is overrated. It has some break, but it's not what it was pimped to be coming through the minors. Just don't think there is any real deception with it, so it's relatively easy to track out of the hand.
Yeah, that's kinda the impression I got as well. I was just curious if it had become a point of emphasis for them.

Obviously saying that 'if he just had a plus curve' is similar to saying 'if he just threw 5 mph harder' - it's not exactly a fair thing to say. But really, if Duffy could just get a little more depth/break on that curve, he'd be a legit #3 starter and those guys are going for $15 million/season these days.
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Yeah, that's kinda the impression I got as well. I was just curious if it had become a point of emphasis for them.

Obviously saying that 'if he just had a plus curve' is similar to saying 'if he just threw 5 mph harder' - it's not exactly a fair thing to say. But really, if Duffy could just get a little more depth/break on that curve, he'd be a legit #3 starter and those guys are going for $15 million/season these days.
Have to wait for Duncan to chime in but from what I seen at times he wasnt even close to the zone so he wound get into a lot of 3-2 counts. I recall it being the more guys taking a pitch a foot outside the zone that forced those counts more so than guys fouling off a lot pitches.

Thats why I think hes pretty much the same guy as a starter or in the pen. If you arent in or around the zone stuff playing up in the pen doesn't mean muchm
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