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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-11-2015, 09:34 AM   #1441
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Old 12-11-2015, 10:17 AM   #1442
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He isnt lying. They could... it would just not be good.
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Old 12-11-2015, 10:34 AM   #1443
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So basically the only thing he has over Gordon is age? Is that really worth $100mil extra?
Age and upside.

If you think you're the team that can take the gains in contact that Heyward has made and combine it with the power stroke he showed in his first and third seasons, then you think Heyward can be a legitimate MVP player - a superlative defender who is also capable of a .900 OPS, 25 HRs and 20 SBs.

I absolutely believe there are teams out there that could manage that. I watch his swing as a rookie and there is so much ability in there. The problem is that he re-worked his swing completely right before the 2012 season and to his credit, it actually appeared to work. But you could see the beginnings of that cramped mess his swing has now become. Pitchers adjusted to it and he doubled down on the cramped mess rather than doing what he should have done which was to open himself up a bit more (go back towards where he was as a rookie). I think it would do wonders for syncing up his top/bottom halves. It would help him get his front foot down on time and go out to attack those pitches on the inner half. It would allow him to extend more on inside pitches and really drive balls instead of just getting sawed off and grounding out (or if he's lucky, fisting a humpback liner for a single).

So on one hand you can say that the only difference between Gordon and Heyward is age, but that's not entirely accurate - with that age and with his early career success comes so much untapped potential. Gordon is who he is - a player who's good years are going to be pretty similar to Heywards floor going forward. But with Heyward, there is talent there to be on Trout Light and there's still plenty of time to unlock it.

For the Cardinals, it's not worth that $100 million, IMO, because they don't teach an approach that will unlock his potential. There are teams and coaches that can though.
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Old 12-11-2015, 11:04 AM   #1444
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Didn't we run with something similar for a good chunk of last season?
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Old 12-11-2015, 11:10 AM   #1445
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Didn't we run with something similar for a good chunk of last season?
Not that I recall. We did platoon Dyson/Orlando for Gordon for 6-8 weeks I believe. Fortunately Rios got hot about that time.

Just not sure relying in a career 4th outfielder and a few minor leaguers in fill in at the corners is a good idea but sounds like you beg to differ.
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Old 12-11-2015, 11:16 AM   #1447
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Didn't we run with something similar for a good chunk of last season?
I seem to remember Orlando playing for Rios when the Chicken Pox hit the team. I think it started out as a platoon of Orlando and Dyson and ended up with Orlando playing every day. I could be wrong.
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It's been funny watching the nightly recap on MLBN. They're bored to tears. They're analyzing Asdrubal Cabrera signing. They openly thanked Arizona for saving their week. Meetings were a major dud thus far
That's because Jason Heyward is an indecisive shitheel.

None of the other OFers will engage until Heyward sets the market, the big money FAs are largely OFers this year so the other position players are cooling their heels with the OF market sorts itself out and most of the big players that needed pitching already got their or are prioritizing offense right now so they're not going hard on guys like Chen or Cueto.

Jason !@#$ing Heyward thinking he should be paid like a superstar has brought the entire market to a screeching halt.
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@dgoold: Source: Heyward has made a decision. #cardinals were very aggressive but doesn't sound like he chose them. #cubs very much in play here.
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@JonHeymanCBS: Doesn't sound like nats are optimistic on heyward. They made big try, but he didn't agree by deadline set with them.
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These are the kinds of situations the Angels pop up with re: Heyward.
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These are the kinds of situations the Angels pop up with re: Heyward.
Heyward would be a damn disaster with Anaheim, IMO.

The marine layer there would kill his pop, it would get into his head and the guy will be Shane Victorino by August.
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