Did y'all catch Squirmin Herman's spot on ESPN about Shady?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Otter

I would have used a Kim Kardashian (sp?) analogy and how the media focuses on the lowest common denominator. He had a point just very poorly executed delivery.

And screw Herm. He's a dumbass that dragged an entire team down to his level of stupidity.

Herm didn't drag this team down. The hate for the guy among Chiefs fans is seriously unreal. Romeo dragged a team down. Herm made the team better under his watch, even if he wasn't a great gameday coach.

[DaNewGuy]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Herm didn't drag this team down. The hate for the guy among Chiefs fans is seriously unreal. Romeo dragged a team down. Herm made the team better under his watch, even if he wasn't a great gameday coach.

True no one shot themselves in front of Herm. He has that going for him

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Herm didn't drag this team down. The hate for the guy among Chiefs fans is seriously unreal. Romeo dragged a team down. Herm made the team better under his watch, even if he wasn't a great gameday coach.

Someone in the organization managed to draft some playmakers.

That doesn't mean Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards isn't a pile of ****ing ass coach.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Someone in the organization managed to draft some playmakers.

That doesn't mean Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards isn't a pile of ****ing ass coach.

It surely doesn't look like it was Kuharich and Denny Thum anymore given how bad Cleveland is.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It surely doesn't look like it was Kuharich and Denny Thum anymore given how bad Cleveland is.

Who is saying they did a good job?

The team was total ****. For every Jamaal Charles there were 20 ****ing guys that didn't belong in the league. Remember when we'd cut a guy and never hear the name again? Now the NFL is full of ex-Chiefs.

Building a team isn't about hitting homeruns like Charles. They sure don't hurt, but you can't hit .050 but jack homers and expect to play major league ball.

The team was shit when we "built through the draft."

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Someone in the organization managed to draft some playmakers.

That doesn't mean Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards isn't a pile of ****ing ass coach.

I don't care how good or bad he was as a coach. He made bold moves that were badly needed. He handed over a franchise in terrific shape before Pioli ****ed it up. So the team was better because Herm was there. The poor gameday coaching... that's not something Herm left behind with the team.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't care how good or bad he was as a coach. He made bold moves that were badly needed. He handed over a franchise in terrific shape before Pioli ****ed it up. So the team was better because Herm was there. The poor gameday coaching... that's not something Herm left behind with the team.

Link

I bolded the guys that are worthy of an NFL roster. THAT, sir, is criminal mismanagement. Dorsey is building a hell of a lot deeper team that was (is) in cap hell and doing it with quality dudes.

If Herm was a great personnel guy he could have done better than this ****ing horse ****ing shit.

I'll say it again, for the first time in my life, we entered games that we had no chance to win. That shit is on Herm.


Chiefs Final Roster

IR
12 Brodie Croyle QB (IR) Injury
51 J. P. Darche LS (IR) Injury
59 Donnie Edwards OLB (IR) Injury
11 Damon Huard QB (IR) Injury
97 Brian Johnston DE (IR) Injury
31 Maurice Leggett CB (IR) Injury
90 Turk McBride DE (IR) Injury
21 Kolby Smith RB (IR) Injury

QB
8 Quinn Gray
4 Tyler Thigpen

RB
26 Jackie Battle
25 Jamaal Charles
42 Mike Cox FB
27 Larry Johnson

WR
82 Dwayne Bowe
83 Mark Bradley
89 Devard Darling
85 Will Franklin
14 Kevin Robinson KR/PR
80 Jeff Webb

TE
87 Brad Cottam
88 Tony Gonzalez
45 Michael Merritt

OL
76 Branden Albert T
71 Andrew Carnahan T
73 Adrian Jones G
77 Damion McIntosh T
64 Rudy Niswanger C
67 Barry Richardson T
74 Wade Smith G/C
75 Herb Taylor T
65 Tavares Washington G/T
54 Brian Waters G

DL
94 Jason Babin DE
70 Alfonso Boone DE/DT
72 Glenn Dorsey DT
95 Ron Edwards DT
92 Wallace Gilberry DE
91 Tamba Hali DE
69 Derek Lokey DT
96 Andy Studebaker DE
93 Tank Tyler DT

LB
50 Rocky Boiman OLB/ILB
57 Weston Dacus ILB
52 Curtis Gatewood OLB
56 Derrick Johnson ILB
55 Pat Thomas ILB
53 Demorrio Williams OLB

DB
39 Brandon Carr CB
35 Oliver Celestin SS
30 Ricardo Colclough CB
24 Brandon Flowers CB
34 David Macklin CB
47 Jon McGraw FS
38 DaJuan Morgan SS
44 Jarrad Page FS
49 Bernard Pollard SS
23 Patrick Surtain CB

ST
5 Connor Barth K
2 Dustin Colquitt P
48 Thomas Gafford LS

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Link

I bolded the guys that are worthy of an NFL roster. THAT, sir, is criminal mismanagement. Dorsey is building a hell of a lot deeper team that was (is) in cap hell and doing it with quality dudes.

If Herm was a great personnel guy he could have done better than this ****ing horse ****ing shit.

I'll say it again, for the first time in my life, we entered games that we had no chance to win. That shit is on Herm.


Chiefs Final Roster

IR
12 Brodie Croyle QB (IR) Injury
51 J. P. Darche LS (IR) Injury
59 Donnie Edwards OLB (IR) Injury
11 Damon Huard QB (IR) Injury
97 Brian Johnston DE (IR) Injury
31 Maurice Leggett CB (IR) Injury
90 Turk McBride DE (IR) Injury
21 Kolby Smith RB (IR) Injury

QB
8 Quinn Gray
4 Tyler Thigpen

RB
26 Jackie Battle
25 Jamaal Charles
42 Mike Cox FB
27 Larry Johnson

WR
82 Dwayne Bowe
83 Mark Bradley
89 Devard Darling
85 Will Franklin
14 Kevin Robinson KR/PR
80 Jeff Webb

TE
87 Brad Cottam
88 Tony Gonzalez
45 Michael Merritt

OL
76 Branden Albert T
71 Andrew Carnahan T
73 Adrian Jones G
77 Damion McIntosh T
64 Rudy Niswanger C
67 Barry Richardson T
74 Wade Smith G/C
75 Herb Taylor T
65 Tavares Washington G/T
54 Brian Waters G

DL
94 Jason Babin DE
70 Alfonso Boone DE/DT
72 Glenn Dorsey DT
95 Ron Edwards DT
92 Wallace Gilberry DE
91 Tamba Hali DE
69 Derek Lokey DT
96 Andy Studebaker DE
93 Tank Tyler DT

LB
50 Rocky Boiman OLB/ILB
57 Weston Dacus ILB
52 Curtis Gatewood OLB
56 Derrick Johnson ILB
55 Pat Thomas ILB
53 Demorrio Williams OLB

DB
39 Brandon Carr CB
35 Oliver Celestin SS
30 Ricardo Colclough CB
24 Brandon Flowers CB
34 David Macklin CB
47 Jon McGraw FS
38 DaJuan Morgan SS
44 Jarrad Page FS
49 Bernard Pollard SS
23 Patrick Surtain CB

ST
5 Connor Barth K
2 Dustin Colquitt P
48 Thomas Gafford LS

Pretty liberal use of the bold.
Wade Smith, De la Puenta, Barth, Gafford were legit starters
Page, Turk, Tank, Studebaker, Battle, Richardson played decently long NFL careers after they left KC
Ron Edwards, McGraw, and Alfonso Boone were adequate at the time
17 players acquired through the draft or free agency with about 10 of them being legit NFL starters in just 3 years? How unreasonable are your expectations?

The other thing you fail to mention is... how many of Vermeil's guys were still legit NFL players in 2008? DJ, Waters, Gonzalez, Tony Richardson, Surtain. FIVE. DJ was the only guy in that entire group who was under 30. So yeah, when you have to build a 53 man roster and you literally have 1 young guy and 4 old farts to work with and $0 to spend, how reasonable is it for any coach to turn that roster over in 3 years?

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Pretty liberal use of the bold.
Wade Smith, De la Puenta, Barth, Gafford were legit starters
Page, Turk, Tank, Studebaker, Battle, Richardson played decently long NFL careers after they left KC
Ron Edwards, McGraw, and Alfonso Boone were adequate at the time
17 players acquired through the draft or free agency with about 10 of them being legit NFL starters in just 3 years? How unreasonable are your expectations?

The other thing you fail to mention is... how many of Vermeil's guys were still legit NFL players in 2008? DJ, Waters, Gonzalez, Tony Richardson, Surtain. FIVE. DJ was the only guy in that entire group who was under 30. So yeah, when you have to build a 53 man roster and you literally have 1 young guy and 4 old farts to work with and $0 to spend, how reasonable is it for any coach to turn that roster over in 3 years?

My expectation is that you should have about 45 guys that are legit players. Dorsey can do it, why can't Herm? There are a shitton of guys getting jobs after chiefs now than back then.

And 5 guys? are you kidding me?

Colquitt is still with the Chiefs
LJ played until 2011. Probably would have played longer if your BFF wouldn't have killed him.
Jared Allen is still in the league
Jordan Black played until 2012
Weigman played until 2011
Chris Griffin played until 2010
Keyeron Fox played until 2012
Trent Green played until 2008
Todd Collins played until 2010
Boomer Grigsby played until 2008
Dante Hall played until 2008
Sammy Knight played until 2008.
Kawika Mitchell played until 2010 (and started and won a Super Bowl)
Benny Sapp played until 2011
Sims played until 2010
Gary Still played until 2008
Tynes played until 2012 (and won a Super Bowl) before he almost died
Jimmy Wilkerson played until 2011
Kris Wilson played until 2011


Kendrell Bell made it until 2007
Jason Dunn hung around until 2007
Eric Hicks played until 2007
Greg Wesley played until 2007

According to your metrics, Herm inherited 20 serviceable players and left with 17 (your number not mine)

Dude was shit. At everything. Just because Charles, Hali, Albert came around under his term doesn't mean he wasn't shit.

DV was shit and he gave us DJ and Colquitt.

Pioli was shit and we got Berry and Houston.

A couple good picks doesn't dismiss leaving the team a total shitfest.

EDIT: Link

You can click on a player and view their career.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

My expectation is that you should have about 45 guys that are legit players. Dorsey can do it, why can't Herm? There are a shitton of guys getting jobs after chiefs now than back then.

And 5 guys? are you kidding me?

Colquitt is still with the Chiefs
LJ played until 2011. Probably would have played longer if your BFF wouldn't have killed him.
Jared Allen is still in the league
Jordan Black played until 2012
Weigman played until 2011
Chris Griffin played until 2010
Keyeron Fox played until 2012
Trent Green played until 2008
Todd Collins played until 2010
Boomer Grigsby played until 2008
Dante Hall played until 2008
Sammy Knight played until 2008.
Kawika Mitchell played until 2010 (and started and won a Super Bowl)
Benny Sapp played until 2011
Sims played until 2010
Gary Still played until 2008
Tynes played until 2012 (and won a Super Bowl) before he almost died
Jimmy Wilkerson played until 2011
Kris Wilson played until 2011


Kendrell Bell made it until 2007
Jason Dunn hung around until 2007
Eric Hicks played until 2007
Greg Wesley played until 2007

According to your metrics, Herm inherited 20 serviceable players and left with 17 (your number not mine)

Dude was shit. At everything. Just because Charles, Hali, Albert came around under his term doesn't mean he wasn't shit.

DV was shit and he gave us DJ and Colquitt.

Pioli was shit and we got Berry and Houston.

A couple good picks doesn't dismiss leaving the team a total shitfest.

EDIT: Link

You can click on a player and view their career.

Your hate for Herm is blinding you to the fact that Herm inherited one of the worst team situations in our modern era. Almost every player was over 30, we were in salary cap hell for several years, and we had 3 players under 30 worth a damn. It wasn't just bad. It was a disaster. Stop playing it off as anything better than that.

We ended the Herm era with an almost immaculate cap. A core of 10 or so players well under 30 who ended up having excellent NFL careers. And by the way, even building almost entirely from scratch, I think you're forgetting that we made the playoffs in 2010 off of pretty much Herm's roster behind a terrible QB (minus Waters, Gonzalez, De la Puente, Page, Wade Smith, Babin, all of whom were upgrades over the players Pioli replaced them with). Had Dorsey taken over instead of Pioli... with one solid QB pickup, a good 2009 draft, and an effective spending of a lot of money we had in 2009... Not to mention not forcing a 3-4 when we had 4-3 personnel... we would have been a really good team.

[cooper barrett]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

My expectation is that you should have about 45 guys that are legit players. Dorsey can do it, why can't Herm? There are a shitton of guys getting jobs after chiefs now than back then.

And 5 guys? are you kidding me?


Jared Allen is still in the league

Cough, didn't Allen ride off into the sunset , or lack thereof, on his horse when he retired?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfYY0K5vG4

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Pretty liberal use of the bold.
Wade Smith, De la Puenta, Barth, Gafford were legit starters
Page, Turk, Tank, Studebaker, Battle, Richardson played decently long NFL careers after they left KC
Ron Edwards, McGraw, and Alfonso Boone were adequate at the time
17 players acquired through the draft or free agency with about 10 of them being legit NFL starters in just 3 years? How unreasonable are your expectations?

The other thing you fail to mention is... how many of Vermeil's guys were still legit NFL players in 2008? DJ, Waters, Gonzalez, Tony Richardson, Surtain. FIVE. DJ was the only guy in that entire group who was under 30. So yeah, when you have to build a 53 man roster and you literally have 1 young guy and 4 old farts to work with and $0 to spend, how reasonable is it for any coach to turn that roster over in 3 years?

And since you made me look, here are your guys that are "good"


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Wade Smith Played until 2014. Legit.
De La Puenta I didn't find him on the roster on the link.
Barth Still in the league but was horrid. Nobody whined about him leaving
Gafford Still in the league. Legit.
Page played until 2011, but never stayed more than a year, marginal at best
Turk played until 2012. I had no idea. I thought he was done after he went back to Goonther. Legit.
Tank Out of the league after 2009. NOT legit
Studebaker played until 2014, probably legit player
Battle Legit.
Richardson played until 2013, probably a legit player
Ron Edwards Played until 2012, but played 0 snaps in 2011. Not sure he's all world.
McGraw played until 2011, barely snuck in there.
Boone Played until 2010, didn't make the 3 year window that you held DVs guys to.

Take out De Le Puenta, Barth, Tank, and Boone. that leaves Team Herm with 13 guys and Team DV with 20 dudes that played 3 years.

And DV was the one that sold out to win.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

And since you made me look, here are your guys that are "good"


LINK

Wade Smith Played until 2014. Legit.
De La Puenta I didn't find him on the roster on the link.
Barth Still in the league but was horrid. Nobody whined about him leaving
Gafford Still in the league. Legit.
Page played until 2011, but never stayed more than a year, marginal at best
Turk played until 2012. I had no idea. I thought he was done after he went back to Goonther. Legit.
Tank Out of the league after 2009. NOT legit
Studebaker played until 2014, probably legit player
Battle Legit.
Richardson played until 2013, probably a legit player
Ron Edwards Played until 2012, but played 0 snaps in 2011. Not sure he's all world.
McGraw played until 2011, barely snuck in there.
Boone Played until 2010, didn't make the 3 year window that you held DVs guys to.

Take out De Le Puenta, Barth, Tank, and Boone. that leaves Team Herm with 13 guys and Team DV with 20 dudes that played 3 years.

And DV was the one that sold out to win.

DV had 20 expensive dudes who barely made it 3 years. Most of them miraculously made it well past 35, which is the only reason your argument at all works. And the majority of those guys were garbage by the year 2008.

Herm brought in 10 or so guys who had excellent careers, costed nothing, and most of whom are still relevant almost 10 years later. And he barely spent any money (except for Carl's dumbass moves). Pioli was gifted one hell of a roster situation. Meaning given the situation Herm was put in, he left the team in a really good place. Don't blame him for Pioli ****ing it up.

[Simply Red]

He'll snap eventually and kill someone.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

He'll snap eventually and kill someone.

Herm? Or Aaron Brooks?