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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-14-2015, 03:35 PM   #1636
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Old 12-14-2015, 03:47 PM   #1640
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(On another note, Giants fans are speculating that this might take them out of the running for Gordo).
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I bet 2nd half shit fest cost him at least 30 million.
He should thank a higher power that the Royals season didn't end in Game 4 of the ALCS.

He may have lost a year of his contract had that been the case.
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I bet 2nd half shit fest cost him at least 30 million.
Maybe, but that deal's about on par with what Zimmerman got in terms of AAV and that's about the same class Cueto is in.

Greinke and Price are in another level. Apart from an insane 2014 season, Cueto's always been in the 'very good' tier. The guys getting a $30 million AAV are likely HOFers.

He almost certainly cost himself a little, but the market doesn't support 7 yr deals for many pitchers and a smallish righty almost certainly wasn't getting one. So if you figure his ceiling was at 6 years, maybe a stellar 2nd half nets him a $24 milion AAV but even that's pushing it.

This deal is much better than I thought he'd get. It seems to suggest that his implosion in KC didn't hurt his market value nearly as much as I thought it would.
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Maybe, but that deal's about on par with what Zimmerman got in terms of AAV and that's about the same class Cueto is in.

Greinke and Price are in another level. Apart from an insane 2014 season, Cueto's always been in the 'very good' tier. The guys getting a $30 million AAV are likely HOFers.

He almost certainly cost himself a little, but the market doesn't support 7 yr deals for many pitchers and a smallish righty almost certainly wasn't getting one. So if you figure his ceiling was at 6 years, maybe a stellar 2nd half nets him a $24 milion AAV but even that's pushing it.

This deal is much better than I thought he'd get. It seems to suggest that his implosion in KC didn't hurt his market value nearly as much as I thought it would.
Well, he is going back to the National League where he won't have to face a DH.
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That's a good situation for him. Back to the NL, pitcher's park, good money. I'm guessing he bounces back. Thanks for the playoffs Johnny. Those final two games were great...
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This deal is much better than I thought he'd get. It seems to suggest that his implosion in KC didn't hurt his market value nearly as much as I thought it would.
Game 5 of the ALDS and Game 2 of the WS likely rebuilt some of his value.
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Too bad the Royals don't get an extra draft pick for this signing.
We got the circle trophy with all the flags. It's cool.

I wonder if our philosophy changes in a few years when we get the new TV deal...
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Well, he is going back to the National League where he won't have to face a DH.
Yeah, it'll help his numbers.

But for the Giants, nobody they sign is going to have to face the DH (obviously) so that's not a 'boost' for him. He's not going to get any better a boost by getting to face the pitcher than anyone would have so you don't give him a premium for that.

When you look at what the Giants and D-Backs offered him, it's pretty clear that the market viewed his time with KC as more of a blip on his radar. That or they saw that performance in the clincher as more indicative of what they could get from him than his struggles in September.

It's not a chance I'd have wanted to take, to be honest.
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Game 5 of the ALDS and Game 2 of the WS likely rebuilt some of his value.
Yeah. I think Game 5 especially.

When he got down early and just locked it in for the next 7 innings, that almost certainly got a lot of teams attention. I think that pretty much made him back most of what he lost.
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