Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
duncan_idaho duncan_idaho is offline
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
 
duncan_idaho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $-2079692
*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

LINK TO 2016-18 PAYROLL INFO COURTESY OF ROYALS REVIEW

The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

Duncan’s Top 20 for 2016:
Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Last edited by duncan_idaho; 11-17-2015 at 09:49 AM..
Posts: 22,430
duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 09:50 PM   #1816
tk13 tk13 is offline
...
 
tk13's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2001
Casino cash: $-1847500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Laz View Post

The real story there is the money involved. Says Gordon is asking for about $20 million a year. So if you think he wants more than 4 years, a good guess is he's asking for 5/$100 million.
Posts: 56,683
tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 09:59 PM   #1817
ChiefsCountry ChiefsCountry is offline
The Insider
 
ChiefsCountry's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Lake of the Ozarks
Casino cash: $-1541248
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 View Post
The real story there is the money involved. Says Gordon is asking for about $20 million a year. So if you think he wants more than 4 years, a good guess is he's asking for 5/$100 million.
5/90 should get it done.
Posts: 52,105
ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 10:00 PM   #1818
lewdog lewdog is offline
Mod Team
 
lewdog's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Valley of the hot as ****
Casino cash: $-1538100
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry View Post
5/90 should get it done.
What's that rep comment mean? You ripping me bro?!
Posts: 46,337
lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.lewdog is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 10:48 PM   #1819
Coach Coach is offline
Champs!
 
Coach's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Casino cash: $3738476
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch View Post
Papelbon lists Royals as 1 of 17 teams on his no trade:
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/159999...-no-trade-list
Fine with me. Keep that ****er away from this team.

****ing clubhouse cancer.
__________________
Super Bowl IV, LIV, LVII & LVIII Champions
2020, 2021, 2023, 2024, & 2025 AFC Champions
1985 & 2015 Major League Baseball World Series Champions
1980, 1985, 2014, & 2015 Major League Baseball American League Champions
2015 American League Central Division Champs
Posts: 54,703
Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.Coach is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 07:07 AM   #1820
Buehler445 Buehler445 is offline
Supporter
 
Buehler445's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Scott City KS
Casino cash: $-1545266
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach View Post
Fine with me. Keep that ****er away from this team.

****ing clubhouse cancer.
I haven't paid any attention since he was in Boston. Is he good enough to be pulling shit like this?
Posts: 59,994
Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 08:39 AM   #1821
Al Bundy Al Bundy is offline
Damnit Peg
 
Al Bundy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Overland Park
Casino cash: $3401831
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 View Post
I haven't paid any attention since he was in Boston. Is he good enough to be pulling shit like this?
No.
Posts: 23,645
Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Al Bundy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 09:26 AM   #1822
Lex Luthor Lex Luthor is offline
MVP
 
Lex Luthor's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2010
Casino cash: $10022775
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 View Post
I haven't paid any attention since he was in Boston. Is he good enough to be pulling shit like this?
He's certainly not good enough to be pulling shit like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDR_UwbtvEU
Posts: 16,709
Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.Lex Luthor is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 09:45 AM   #1823
Buehler445 Buehler445 is offline
Supporter
 
Buehler445's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Scott City KS
Casino cash: $-1545266
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor View Post
He's certainly not good enough to be pulling shit like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDR_UwbtvEU
Yeah. That are funnay.

I didn't figure he was good enough, but if he excludes us, all the better.
Posts: 59,994
Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Buehler445 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 09:52 AM   #1824
mnchiefsguy mnchiefsguy is offline
MVP
 
mnchiefsguy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Casino cash: $1186206
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 View Post
Yeah. That are funnay.

I didn't figure he was good enough, but if he excludes us, all the better.
He only wants to be a closer....with Wade Davis here there is no ****ing chance he would ever pitch in the 9th.

He is a cancer, the Royals should feel good about being on that list---not that they would be dumb enough to trade for him in the first place.
__________________
Posts: 10,338
mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2015, 01:31 PM
suzzer99
This message has been deleted by suzzer99.
Old 12-21-2015, 09:57 PM   #1825
tk13 tk13 is offline
...
 
tk13's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2001
Casino cash: $-1847500
Nothing real groundbreaking here, but Ken Rosenthal dedicated a good chunk of his column tonight to the problem the Royals face with signing Gordon.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/k...-league-122115

Quote:
By Ken Rosenthal
Dec 21, 2015 at 8:52p ET

Here’s the catch for the Royals with free-agent outfielder Alex Gordon: Re-signing him would be a hedge against other Royals stars leaving in the future. But re-signing him also could make it more likely that some of those players depart.

Five prominent Royals -- first baseman Eric Hosmer, third baseman Mike Moustakas, shortstop Alcides Escobar, center fielder Lorenzo Cain and closer Wade Davis -- are eligible to become free agents after the 2017 season.

Hosmer and Moustakas, as Scott Boras clients, are unlikely to sign extensions. Davis’ price, if he remains a dominant closer, figures to be extreme. Escobar and Cain, as up-the-middle defenders, also could be expensive.

Of course, a lot could happen over the next two seasons, but Gordon represents the first financial challenge for the reigning World Series champions. Calling it a “test” would be an oversimplification, when so much else is involved.

Only two free-agent position players have signed multi-year contracts this offseason for more than $20 million guaranteed -- outfielder Jason Heyward and infielder Ben Zobrist.


Gordon, who turns 32 in February, remains among the unemployed, but seemingly in a more secure position than most. Rival executives and agents say it all the time: “He can always go back to the Royals.”

Yoenis Cespedes does not appear to have that option with the Mets. Justin Upton certainly does not have it with the Padres. But the Royals are leaving the proverbial light on for Gordon, hoping that no other team will pay him enough to abandon the comfort he enjoys in Kansas City.

The Cubs’ agreement with Heyward on Dec. 11 did not, as many anticipated, trigger a run on free-agent outfielders. The market for Gordon remains unclear, but the Royals remain in position to move on him if the opportunity arises.

The team has made only modest additions thus far, replacing Ryan Madson by signing Joakim Soria to a three-year, $25 million contract and bringing back right-hander Chris Young on a two-year, $11.5 million deal. But the Royals still need a starter to replace Johnny Cueto. And they need to find two outfielders, considering that Alex Rios is a free agent along with Gordon.

The question for the Royals with Gordon is the same as it is for every team with free agents: How much is too much?

A five-year, $100 million contract -- the price for Gordon that some predicted when the market opened -- likely would be beyond the Royals’ comfort level. But even a lesser deal -- say, four years, $76 million -- might be a reach.

Only the Royals know where the sweet spot is. The problem with their pursuit of Gordon is that they could be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
Posts: 56,683
tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 08:28 AM   #1826
WhawhaWhat WhawhaWhat is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Feb 2013
Casino cash: $-688884
Came from Royals organization but never got called up. Not saying he should have but just something to keep an eye on if he ever pitches for the Padres.


Posts: 18,321
WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 10:59 AM   #1827
tk13 tk13 is offline
...
 
tk13's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2001
Casino cash: $-1847500
Cue Michael Scott "NOOOO" GIF.





Posts: 56,683
tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.tk13 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 11:07 AM   #1828
Prison Bitch Prison Bitch is offline
Rabbi Goldmann
 

Join Date: Nov 2012
Casino cash: $5450159
Gordon "knows the division"


I've heard some really ghey logic in my day but this one is hilarious.
Posts: 87,025
Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 11:14 AM   #1829
Sure-Oz Sure-Oz is offline
Stay positive, don't give up
 
Sure-Oz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2001
Casino cash: $1689383
No way they let him go to the White Sox
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz View Post
Sure-Oz could ****ing track anyone in the country via Twitter. Dude makes me scared to leave the house.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz View Post
.
Sure-Oz in this mother****er. Resident Tweet master and maligned Royals fan.
Posts: 46,307
Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.Sure-Oz wants to die in a aids tree fire.
    Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 11:32 AM   #1830
KChiefs1 KChiefs1 is offline
I’m a Mahomo!
 
KChiefs1's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Mid-Missouri
Casino cash: $6771021
Leake goes to Cardinals.
__________________
Posts: 54,038
KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.KChiefs1 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:21 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.