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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-26-2015, 06:50 PM   #1906
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Old 12-26-2015, 07:07 PM   #1907
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Welp...it's official. The Twins are now tied atop the standing with the Royals.

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Old 12-26-2015, 07:10 PM   #1908
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Welp...it's official. The Twins are now tied atop the standing with the Royals.

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If we can keep pace for the next month, we've got a shot.
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Old 12-26-2015, 08:41 PM   #1909
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Old 12-26-2015, 09:08 PM   #1910
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If we can keep pace for the next month, we've got a shot.
I don't know, our offense has been a zero over these past couple of months.
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Old 12-27-2015, 11:10 AM   #1911
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@ClintScoles: Nick @nickcafardo - "Gordon is still drawing a lot of interest and prefers to stay in Kansas City, though that dream may be fading."
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Old 12-27-2015, 11:43 AM   #1912
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@ClintScoles: Nick @nickcafardo - "Gordon is still drawing a lot of interest and prefers to stay in Kansas City, though that dream may be fading."
If he really wants to stay, he can make it happen. 4 years, $60 million.
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Old 12-27-2015, 11:49 AM   #1913
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I understand that you don't want to pay a guy for what he did, but what he will do instead. But, I can't help but feel like our team will always be that super cheap team that never actually signs anybody to a contract.
If Alex Gordon isn't a guy who you will overpay for to keep in a KC uniform and solidify his future as one of the top 5 Royals of all-time, then who will we pay for?

I'm not buying that the team can't afford it. Again, this team made so much ****ing money this year with increased ticket sales, increased prices all around the stadium, and another playoff run. I'm not buying this "small market" bullshit anymore. This team has the money to easily maintain a $150mm payroll. And if we fail to sign Gordon to a reasonable (there may be a team who pays $20mm+) contract, it makes us look really ****ing cheap and I know it will damage our chances of signing any of our players to contract extensions in the future.
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i believe it is. recorded it. will watch it after football.
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Old 12-27-2015, 01:01 PM   #1916
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I understand that you don't want to pay a guy for what he did, but what he will do instead. But, I can't help but feel like our team will always be that super cheap team that never actually signs anybody to a contract.
If Alex Gordon isn't a guy who you will overpay for to keep in a KC uniform and solidify his future as one of the top 5 Royals of all-time, then who will we pay for?

I'm not buying that the team can't afford it. Again, this team made so much ****ing money this year with increased ticket sales, increased prices all around the stadium, and another playoff run. I'm not buying this "small market" bullshit anymore. This team has the money to easily maintain a $150mm payroll. And if we fail to sign Gordon to a reasonable (there may be a team who pays $20mm+) contract, it makes us look really ****ing cheap and I know it will damage our chances of signing any of our players to contract extensions in the future.
You really don't understand the difference in local television contracts, do you?

They Royals local TV deal with Fox Sports pays them $20 million per year, and it's an ironclad contract that lasts through the 2019 season. The Los Angeles Dodgers get $250 million per year from their TV contract. That's why the Royals have to be very careful about how they spend their money. It's not a matter of being ****ing cheap. When one team has an extra $230 million every ****ing year, they are the ones who will sign the expensive free agents. Alex Gordon is an expensive free agent who is 32 years old.

After 2019 it will be a much more level playing field, because the Royals will get a better local TV deal. It won't come close to what the Dodgers get, but it will hopefully be close to the deal the Cardinals just signed: $1 Billion over 15 years, with $50 million the first year and escalations every year. But Moustakas, Hosmer, Cain, Escobar and Davis aren't going to wait until 2019 to get paid. They all become free agents after the 2017 season.

And even if the Royals get a sweetheart deal that exactly matches the Cardinals' deal, that's still $180 million LESS than what Dodgers get. Every year.

That's why it makes perfect sense for the Royals to refuse to break the bank for a 32 year old Alex Gordon. If they do, they have $100 million LESS to try to retain their younger free agents after 2017. They'll be competing with teams like the Dodgers to sign Hosmer and Moustakas. The Royals will never outbid the Dodgers, but I'd like to see them have enough free money to at least offer them enough money to make them consider staying at a hometown discount.

If Alex Gordon were to give the team a hometown discount and come back for 4 years at $60 million, and the Royals were to manage to make it to a 3rd World Series, THAT would set a helluva precedent.

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Old 12-27-2015, 02:26 PM   #1917
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You really don't understand the difference in local television contracts, do you?

They Royals local TV deal with Fox Sports pays them $20 million per year, and it's an ironclad contract that lasts through the 2019 season. The Los Angeles Dodgers get $250 million per year from their TV contract. That's why the Royals have to be very careful about how they spend their money. It's not a matter of being ****ing cheap. When one team has an extra $230 million every ****ing year, they are the ones who will sign the expensive free agents. Alex Gordon is an expensive free agent who is 35 years old.

After 2019 it will be a much more level playing field, because the Royals will get a better local TV deal. It won't come close to what the Dodgers get, but it will hopefully be close to the deal the Cardinals just signed: $1 Billion over 15 years, with $50 million the first year and escalations every year. But Moustakas, Hosmer, Cain, Escobar and Davis aren't going to wait until 2019 to get paid. They all become free agents after the 2017 season.

And even if the Royals get a sweetheart deal that exactly matches the Cardinals' deal, that's still $180 million LESS than what Dodgers get. Every year.

That's why it makes perfect sense for the Royals to refuse to break the bank for a 35 year old Alex Gordon. If they do, they have $100 million LESS to try to retain their younger free agents after 2017. They'll be competing with teams like the Dodgers to sign Hosmer and Moustakas. The Royals will never outbid the Dodgers, but I'd like to see them have enough free money to at least offer them enough money to make them consider staying at a hometown discount.

If Alex Gordon were to give the team a hometown discount and come back for 4 years at $60 million, and the Royals were to manage to make it to a 3rd World Series, THAT would set a helluva precedent.
Yup. I love Gordon but we have to be cheap bastards if we want to stay competitive. If we want to keep winning, it's going to be because Dayton finds some more diamonds in the scrap pile, not because of our ability to resign premium players.
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^^^Gordon is 32, not 35.

Zobrist was the 35 year old.
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He also would have been the hero the Red Sox were waiting for in 1986 as he hit the 2 run HR in game 6 of the 1986 WS to put the Red Sox ahead and needing 3 puts to close. (But Buckner happened-and a few singles prior)

Of a heart attack. Damn. I'll never forget that game. Never.
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Dave Henderson also finished his career in Kansas City. He was a backup OF on the 1994 team that was making a run for the playoffs when the strike happened.
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