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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-27-2015, 04:27 PM   #1921
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Dave Henderson also finished his career in Kansas City. He was a backup OF on the 1994 team that was making a run for the playoffs when the strike happened.
Yes he did. He played on those great A's teams of the 90's also.
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:35 PM   #1922
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Welp...it's official. The Twins are now tied atop the standing with the Royals.

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Old 12-27-2015, 06:40 PM   #1923
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Former Red Sox hero Dave Henderson died today. He hit one of the biggest playoff home runs in my lifetime, off the Angels Donnie Moore (who never recovered from that and ended up committing suicide later).

He also would have been the hero the Red Sox were waiting for in 1986 as he hit the 2 run HR in game 6 of the 1986 WS to put the Red Sox ahead and needing 3 puts to close. (But Buckner happened-and a few singles prior)

Of a heart attack. Damn. I'll never forget that game. Never.
I will never forget that game either. I didn't have a rooting interest in either team, but when that game was over I decided I had just watched the greatest game of all time, because of all of the excitement and the drama. If I recall correctly, Dave Henderson made a game saving catch in left field before he hit the game winning home run. I'm sorry to hear he passed away today, just as I was sorry to hear Donnie Moore committed suicide a couple of years later.

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Old 12-27-2015, 06:53 PM   #1924
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^^^Gordon is 32, not 35.

Zobrist was the 35 year old.
Oops, you are correct. But the point still applies.

Tmw4h5 can bluster all he wants about big market advantages over small market teams being "bullshit", but when one team gets $250 million per year from their local TV contract and another team gets $20 million, it's not bullshit. It's reality.

That being said, it's also not an excuse for failure. Big market teams have shown a propensity for recklessly spending money and seriously underperforming their payrolls. I'd much rather have a small market team with a smart GM like Dayton Moore than a big market team with a lunkhead for a GM. The Yankees, Dodgers and Angels haven't accomplished anything with their massive payrolls. That's because they are the teams who sign the aging superstars to hundred million dollar contracts. If Alex Gordon winds up going that route, I say more power to him, and kudos to the Royals for making a smart business decision to let him go.
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:02 PM   #1925
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:03 PM   #1926
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Oops, you are correct. But the point still applies.

Tmw4h5 can bluster all he wants about big market advantages over small market teams being "bullshit", but when one team gets $250 million per year from their local TV contract and another team gets $20 million, it's not bullshit. It's reality.

That being said, it's also not an excuse for failure. Big market teams have shown a propensity for recklessly spending money and seriously underperforming their payrolls. I'd much rather have a small market team with a smart GM like Dayton Moore than a big market team with a lunkhead for a GM. The Yankees, Dodgers and Angels haven't accomplished anything with their massive payrolls. That's because they are the teams who sign the aging superstars to hundred million dollar contracts. If Alex Gordon winds up going that route, I say more power to him, and kudos to the Royals for making a smart business decision to let him go.

Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance.
This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra.
We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game . Basically $40m extra from the playoffs in addition to the nearly $22m from the regular season. Where the **** is this money supposed to go? Hosmer WILL NOT sign in KC. Do you want to give a 31 year old Cain money? What about Moustakas? Do you want to pay $20m/year for a closer like Wade Davis?

This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m for the foreseeable future, with or without a new TV contract.

The more that you people convince yourself that this team needs to operate at $120m/year, the more David Glass gets to jerk off onto piles of your money.
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:12 PM   #1927
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Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance.
This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra.
We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game . Basically $40m extra from the playoffs in addition to the nearly $22m from the regular season. Where the **** is this money supposed to go? Hosmer WILL NOT sign in KC. Do you want to give a 31 year old Cain money? What about Moustakas? Do you want to pay $20m/year for a closer like Wade Davis?

This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m for the foreseeable future, with or without a new TV contract.

The more that you people convince yourself that this team needs to operate at $120m/year, the more David Glass gets to jerk off onto piles of your money.
I don't get why people immediately give up on signing Hos. You can't make the argument that we're making more money then say we can't have a chance to re-sign Hosmer. Which is it? I agree it may not happen... but why couldn't it. You want to give Gordon $20 million a year, but you don't want to give Hosmer $20-25?
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:37 PM   #1928
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Former Red Sox hero Dave Henderson died today. He hit one of the biggest playoff home runs in my lifetime, off the Angels Donnie Moore (who never recovered from that and ended up committing suicide later).

He also would have been the hero the Red Sox were waiting for in 1986 as he hit the 2 run HR in game 6 of the 1986 WS to put the Red Sox ahead and needing 3 puts to close. (But Buckner happened-and a few singles prior)

Of a heart attack. Damn. I'll never forget that game. Never.
Donnie Moore, coincidentally, signed a minor league contract with the Royals in 1989. They released him in June and a month later, he shot his wife ( who survived 3 bullets) and then turned the gun on himself. Sad story.
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I don't get why people immediately give up on signing Hos. You can't make the argument that we're making more money then say we can't have a chance to re-sign Hosmer. Which is it? I agree it may not happen... but why couldn't it. You want to give Gordon $20 million a year, but you don't want to give Hosmer $20-25?
We don't know what the Royals plan to do with re-signing these young guys. Which is why you can't pay an aging left fielder for 5/6 years at Gordon's asking price or you just end up answering that question before it even happens.
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On FS1 now. This is the World Series DVD, in case you were interested.
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Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance.
This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra.
We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game . Basically $40m extra from the playoffs in addition to the nearly $22m from the regular season. Where the **** is this money supposed to go? Hosmer WILL NOT sign in KC. Do you want to give a 31 year old Cain money? What about Moustakas? Do you want to pay $20m/year for a closer like Wade Davis?

This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m for the foreseeable future, with or without a new TV contract.

The more that you people convince yourself that this team needs to operate at $120m/year, the more David Glass gets to jerk off onto piles of your money.
Again, the Dodgers will get $230,000,000 MORE in local TV revenue than the Royals will next year. Do you know how much money $230,000,000 is? How can you not understand that this gives the Dodgers and other big market teams an advantage over small market teams? How can you just deny that small market teams can't spend money like drunken sailors?

I'm not arguing that the Royals should keep their payroll at any set amount. I'm pointing out that the Royals have to spend their money judiciously.

If you give $100,000,000 to an aging Alex Gordon, you GUARANTEE that Hosmer will leave because (1) you won't have the money to give him, and (2) why the **** would Hosmer consider anything less than full market value if an aging Alex Gordon got full market value?
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I don't get why people immediately give up on signing Hos. You can't make the argument that we're making more money then say we can't have a chance to re-sign Hosmer. Which is it? I agree it may not happen... but why couldn't it. You want to give Gordon $20 million a year, but you don't want to give Hosmer $20-25?
EXACTLY.

Small market teams shouldn't spend their money on aging superstars who get overpaid by big market teams. The Cardinals faced a similar decision a few years ago with Albert Pujols. Pujols wound up signing a contract with the Angels for $240 million for 10 years at age of 32. That was a ****ing ridiculous contract, since Pujols was at the age when nearly every player starts to decline. He was 32. (How old is Alex Gordon again?)

Letting Pujols walk seems to have worked out pretty well for the Cardinals, considering that they have made the playoffs each of the 4 years since Pujols left, including the World Series in 2013. And what have the Angels done since they gave Pujols his $240 million contract? Well, they did make the playoffs ONCE in 4 years (got swept by the small market team). If tmw4h5 had been a Cardinals fan back then, he would have probably wanted to lynch the Cardinals GM.

The Royals need to follow the model of the Cardinals, not the Angels.
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EXACTLY.

Small market teams shouldn't spend their money on aging superstars who get overpaid by big market teams. The Cardinals faced a similar decision a few years ago with Albert Pujols. Pujols wound up signing a contract with the Angels for $240 million for 10 years at age of 32. That was a ****ing ridiculous contract, since Pujols was at the age when nearly every player starts to decline. He was 32. (How old is Alex Gordon again?)

Letting Pujols walk seems to have worked out pretty well for the Cardinals, considering that they have made the playoffs each of the 4 years since Pujols left, including the World Series in 2013. And what have the Angels done since they gave Pujols his $240 million contract? Well, they did make the playoffs ONCE in 4 years (got swept by the small market team).

The Royals need to follow the model of the Cardinals, not the Angels.
You mean the Cardinals with big contracts with Holliday, Wainwright, and Molina?
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You mean the Cardinals with big contracts with Holliday, Wainwright, and Molina?
Thanks for making my point for me. If the Cardinals had thrown $240 million at Albert Pujols, they wouldn't have Holliday, Wainwright and Molina on their team.

Pujols = Gordon

Holliday, Wainwright, Molina = Hosmer, Moustakas, Davis

That's how you sustain a winning organization. You don't put all of your eggs in the aging superstar's basket.
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