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Old 12-28-2015, 01:10 PM   #1156
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Her portrayal of Cersei is still one of my least favorite aspects of the series. She's made all kinds of character choices that basically equal an attempt to make the character relatable, sympathetic and perhaps even redeemable, which book Cersei is not. At all. Book Cersei is a villain, in every sense of the word. She's not a victim in any sense of the word. She's despicable. Evil. Out for number one. And that makes everything that happens to her seem so much more cathartic for the readers. It's about a bad person finally getting both what she deserves and what she has earned, not just from the kingdom but from her family. I think Headey has done the character a disservice, and the show is a bit weaker for it. Fortunately they've gotten so much else right...
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Old 12-28-2015, 01:17 PM   #1157
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Her portrayal of Cersei is still one of my least favorite aspects of the series. She's made all kinds of character choices that basically equal an attempt to make the character relatable, sympathetic and perhaps even redeemable, which book Cersei is not. At all. Book Cersei is a villain, in every sense of the word. She's not a victim in any sense of the word. She's despicable. Evil. Out for number one. And that makes everything that happens to her seem so much more cathartic for the readers. It's about a bad person finally getting both what she deserves and what she has earned, not just from the kingdom but from her family. I think Headey has done the character a disservice, and the show is a bit weaker for it. Fortunately they've gotten so much else right...
Jesus. It made me really sad to read that. You need to get out more.
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Old 12-28-2015, 01:27 PM   #1158
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Jesus. It made me really sad to read that. You need to get out more.
If you want sad, think about this: you're posting in the spoiler thread for the tv version of a 15-year old fantasy book series on a bulletin board frequented primarily by middle-aged guys. It's like a whole symphony of sadness. A song of icy hot and side fire ultrasound.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:06 PM   #1159
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Jesus. It made me really sad to read that. You need to get out more.
I don't necessarily blame her so much as the director/writers but he is correct in a lot of his assessment. In the books she is pretty much the most hated character. She is dumb, she is ruthless, she is evil. In the show they try to make her likable for some reason. And that could have to do, in part, with how she is playing her.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:28 PM   #1160
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I don't necessarily blame her so much as the director/writers but he is correct in a lot of his assessment. In the books she is pretty much the most hated character. She is dumb, she is ruthless, she is evil. In the show they try to make her likable for some reason. And that could have to do, in part, with how she is playing her.
She had a tremendous amount of input/freedom, according to a number of interviews I've seen. Hence my pointing the finger more at her than at the producers.
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Old 12-28-2015, 04:28 PM   #1161
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I saw Lena Heady at The Grove on Christmas Eve. She was absolutely gorgeous and I don't say that about many Hollywooders.

Her hair was nearly shoulder length, dyed red with highlights. She had her baby and current boyfriend with her.

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Did she ask about me? Did our baby seem happy?
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Her portrayal of Cersei is still one of my least favorite aspects of the series. She's made all kinds of character choices that basically equal an attempt to make the character relatable, sympathetic and perhaps even redeemable, which book Cersei is not. At all. Book Cersei is a villain, in every sense of the word. She's not a victim in any sense of the word. She's despicable. Evil. Out for number one. And that makes everything that happens to her seem so much more cathartic for the readers. It's about a bad person finally getting both what she deserves and what she has earned, not just from the kingdom but from her family. I think Headey has done the character a disservice, and the show is a bit weaker for it. Fortunately they've gotten so much else right...
I agree, show Cersei is a little more sympathetic than book Cersei. Now don't get me wrong, neither is very sympathetic. But they have made her a little more likable on the show which is unfortunate. Aside from just her portrayal, part of it also has to do with minor subplots that exist in the books but not on the show and which help to cement her evilness. For example, her dumb plot to kill Bronn which backfires, and all the people she gives to Qyburn to "use" for his work on Gregor, etc. Plus in the books you actually get in her head and so you can see more easily what a dumb and evil bitch she is.

Not sure why this discussion makes the other poster sad, I have seen this discussed in multiple places on the internet and it has been a major criticism of the show by many avid book fans. If he just means it is sad that we are discussing the books and show in that much detail, then GTFO of this thread, we're trying to have a discussion here.
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In a show with a lot of really good performances she stood out. She actually made me see her as ugly because she portrayed a person who was so ugly on the inside so well. It was a shock to me to see her in normal pics, smiling and being normal, and to see how pretty she really is.
She was beautiful in person, Dude. Her skin was flawless and she didn't look a day over 32, so I was shocked to find out that she is actually 42 years old.
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Her portrayal of Cersei is still one of my least favorite aspects of the series. She's made all kinds of character choices that basically equal an attempt to make the character relatable, sympathetic and perhaps even redeemable, which book Cersei is not. At all. Book Cersei is a villain, in every sense of the word. She's not a victim in any sense of the word. She's despicable. Evil. Out for number one. And that makes everything that happens to her seem so much more cathartic for the readers. It's about a bad person finally getting both what she deserves and what she has earned, not just from the kingdom but from her family. I think Headey has done the character a disservice, and the show is a bit weaker for it. Fortunately they've gotten so much else right...
She's acting the part as written. Blame her?
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She's acting the part as written. Blame her?
I'm saying she's had influence over how the part is written.
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She had a tremendous amount of input/freedom, according to a number of interviews I've seen. Hence my pointing the finger more at her than at the producers.
I could see that and if so **** her.
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I agree, show Cersei is a little more sympathetic than book Cersei. Now don't get me wrong, neither is very sympathetic. But they have made her a little more likable on the show which is unfortunate. Aside from just her portrayal, part of it also has to do with minor subplots that exist in the books but not on the show and which help to cement her evilness. For example, her dumb plot to kill Bronn which backfires, and all the people she gives to Qyburn to "use" for his work on Gregor, etc. Plus in the books you actually get in her head and so you can see more easily what a dumb and evil bitch she is.

Not sure why this discussion makes the other poster sad, I have seen this discussed in multiple places on the internet and it has been a major criticism of the show by many avid book fans. If he just means it is sad that we are discussing the books and show in that much detail, then GTFO of this thread, we're trying to have a discussion here.
Not at all. Love the books and the discussion. It's just nit-picky BS for a great show. I mean sorry the level of her depravity wasn't exactly in step with the books, because so much else is 100% spot on
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While I can appreciate the truth that Cersei may be more sympathetic/likable than in books, I still find her plenty enough despicable for that not to matter.

Watched some of the 1st season yet again, and yeah, that whole stretch about her life and marriage to Rob Baratheon showed a bit of why her heart hardened.

Still enjoy any misery that falls her way.. so at least to the non-book-reading fan.. she's playing her role well.
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While I can appreciate the truth that Cersei may be more sympathetic/likable than in books, I still find her plenty enough despicable for that not to matter.

Watched some of the 1st season yet again, and yeah, that whole stretch about her life and marriage to Rob Baratheon showed a bit of why her heart hardened.

Still enjoy any misery that falls her way.. so at least to the non-book-reading fan.. she's playing her role well.
I actually appreciate a little depth and humanity.

Mad King would be the worst character on the show. He would be little more than a plot device and couldn't be developed.

I enjoyed her Penance Walk, and I don't think anybody felt terrible for Cersei as she did it.
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