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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-31-2015, 03:29 PM   #2041
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He also went 7-2 with a 3.06 ERA over the final two months of 2014 to help lead their charge up the standings. Pitched 7 scoreless innings to win the game that clinched the Royals first playoff berth in 29 years. Outdueled Chen in game 3 of the ALCS to put a strangehold on the ALCS, and outdueled Tim Hudson to win game 3 of the World Series and put the Royals up 2-1. That's pretty tough, considering game 3 is usually the pivotal game.

He stunk this year but he should really be remembered positively. He was a huge part of turning this organization around. I know you're a robot about this stuff but come on now.
With respect to Kisla's column (which I'm gonna guess nobody actually saw), it's fine to criticize Guthrie. That's what columnists do - honest appraisals. I highly doubt he had some axe to grind vs Guts, just like I don't.


Guts made 27M here and was worth 4.9M. That's not a good contribution. We could've applied that $ elsewhere and been no worse.
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Old 12-31-2015, 04:02 PM   #2042
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With respect to Kisla's column (which I'm gonna guess nobody actually saw), it's fine to criticize Guthrie. That's what columnists do - honest appraisals. I highly doubt he had some axe to grind vs Guts, just like I don't.


Guts made 27M here and was worth 4.9M. That's not a good contribution. We could've applied that $ elsewhere and been no worse.
Saying Guthrie was a quitter was a jab
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With respect to Kisla's column (which I'm gonna guess nobody actually saw), it's fine to criticize Guthrie. That's what columnists do - honest appraisals. I highly doubt he had some axe to grind vs Guts, just like I don't.


Guts made 27M here and was worth 4.9M. That's not a good contribution. We could've applied that $ elsewhere and been no worse.
If we had a better player, we probably would have went to 2 world series and won one.
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Old 12-31-2015, 05:02 PM   #2044
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Yeah, I wish a lot of things were different. I wish Cueto didn't get some bug up his butt about playing on the road. I wish the Royals could pay the bills I'm gonna owe my cardiologist in a few decades. I wish Gordon didn't get injured. I wish we could have won it without trading away those prospects.

Oh... wait... we won the World ****ing Series. I actually regret NOTHING. Whoops, my bad.

Except Dusty Coleman. I regret him. **** that asshole.
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Old 12-31-2015, 05:40 PM   #2045
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Yeah, I wish a lot of things were different. I wish Cueto didn't get some bug up his butt about playing on the road. I wish the Royals could pay the bills I'm gonna owe my cardiologist in a few decades. I wish Gordon didn't get injured. I wish we could have won it without trading away those prospects.

Oh... wait... we won the World ****ing Series. I actually regret NOTHING. Whoops, my bad.

Except Dusty Coleman. I regret him. **** that asshole.

Agreed with with aspect of this post. He looked like he had never played baseball before. Almost costed us in his debut against the Twins with the inability to accomplish the ever-so-hard task of running 90 feet and then he struck out with the tying-run on 3rd to lose the game and the season series against the Cards (middle finger for all of you STL assholes). **** you Dusty.

But great season, yes.

EDIT: upon further review Dusty was the first out with runners on 2nd and 3rd and no outs by way of strikeout. My bad.

**** you, Dusty.
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Oakland looked unstoppable at the time and that series seemed to turn around our season (and theirs, coincidentally).
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Yeah, I wish a lot of things were different. I wish Cueto didn't get some bug up his butt about playing on the road. I wish the Royals could pay the bills I'm gonna owe my cardiologist in a few decades. I wish Gordon didn't get injured. I wish we could have won it without trading away those prospects.

Oh... wait... we won the World ****ing Series. I actually regret NOTHING. Whoops, my bad.

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Did Guthrie **** his wife?
3 years & he still is writing about Guthrie? Strange.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:37 PM   #2051
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Guts deserves criticism. He mad $12.2M this year to be the single worst pitcher among the top 110 guys by innings. He was a joke and a badly overpaid one. He seems like a nice guy but professionally he was atrocious.

You obviously don't know shit about the team.
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3 years & he still is writing about Guthrie? Strange.
This^^

Its just strange. The man is really holding a grudge.
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Did Guthrie **** his wife?
3 years & he still is writing about Guthrie? Strange.
While PB's wife was tonguing his asshole.

Guthrie sucked balls on the mound last year, but was really solid in 2014. It's not his fault the Royals paid him what they did, and it was never lack of effort.
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