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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 01-06-2016, 09:50 AM   #2191
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:52 AM   #2192
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His 2011 and 2012 seasons probably register as "great" offensive season, but he's been more of an above-average hitter than a great one.

At 8.4/WAR, he needs to produce 8.5 WAR for the Royals to break even. I think it's reasonable to hope he gives you one more great all-around season 4-4.5 WAR, legit all-Star level), one more above average, and then a couple as a quality/average type starter.

I expect he'll see some time at 1B in 2018 and 2019 as well (as will Salvador Perez), but still play some Lf (unless his defense in LF remains above-average).

Of course, if someone stakes a claim to 1B in the meantime, that could change. I
Forgot about his 2011 numbers. Yes he was elite at the plate that year. I still thought he'd be a better hitter at this level, a consistent 275-25-90 guy. But he is so damn good in the field and base paths it barely matters.

His HR game 1 was an epic moment not only in Royals history, but baseball history. That's a clip you will be able to see in Cooperstown when you go visit.

Is he worth it? The FA market skewed so heavy towards pitching this year. It left a ton of position guys in the dust. Maybe there is a diff WAR calc for hitters this year??
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:54 AM   #2193
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At this point, I don't care of they don't get another starting pitcher.

Volquez
Ventura
Duffy
Medlin
Young

If one gets hurt, throw Zimmer in there. Maybe the Royals can get some use out of him before he gets hurt again.
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Forgot about his 2011 numbers. Yes he was elite at the plate that year. I still thought he'd be a better hitter at this level, a consistent 275-25-90 guy. But he is so damn good in the field and base paths it barely matters.

His HR game 1 was an epic moment not only in Royals history, but baseball history. That's a clip you will be able to see in Cooperstown when you go visit.

Is he worth it? The FA market skewed so heavy towards pitching this year. It left a ton of position guys in the dust. Maybe there is a diff WAR calc for hitters this year??
There we go. I thought you were marginalizing his 2011/2012 output with your previous postZ

I absolutely agree with the rest of your points.
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At this point, I don't care of they don't get another starting pitcher.

Volquez
Ventura
Duffy
Medlin
Young

If one gets hurt, throw Zimmer in there. Maybe the Royals can get some use out of him before he gets hurt again.
I'd like insurance on Medlen, Duffy, and Young. None of them are sure-things. Hell, neither is Ventura. One more pitcher would put us right where we need to be, IMO.

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I'd like insurance on Medlen, Duffy, and Young. Hell, neither is Ventura. None of them are sure-things. One more pitcher would put us right where we need to be, IMO.
Yeah, I know. You never know what's going to happen. But, what I don't want them to do is sign someone that will cause the Royals to lose their 1st round draft pick. They no longer have the sandwich pick.
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There we go. I thought you were marginalizing his 2011/2012 output with your previous postZ

I absolutely agree with the rest of your points.

Steamer still likes him a lot, near 4 win protection (0 for Orlando). So now our team is up to 82 wins projected and we have 13M more to spend. Gallardo or Kennedy and you're pushing 85. That is in range already to win this sorry division, esp if you believe KC can keen exceeding the data projections.


Pitching is scary expensive now. We HAVE to hit on Zimmer or Almonte now. And soon.
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At 8.4/WAR, he needs to produce 8.5 WAR for the Royals to break even.
Not necessarily. If the $/WAR just went from 7 to 8.4, it could easily be 10-12 by the time his contract expires. If 10 is the average value over the life of this contract, 7.2 WAR is the break even. He could reasonably be expected to provide that in the next 2 seasons alone.
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How did he not get 5 years from anyone?
Either no one offered him that or if he did he didn't like the offer I'm guessing.

We don't know what went on behind the scenes with agents discussing their player. And maybe Gordon didn't want to go to certain teams either, always safer going to an organization you know.
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