Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
duncan_idaho duncan_idaho is offline
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
 
duncan_idaho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $-2109692
*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

LINK TO 2016-18 PAYROLL INFO COURTESY OF ROYALS REVIEW

The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

Duncan’s Top 20 for 2016:
Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Last edited by duncan_idaho; 11-17-2015 at 09:49 AM..
Posts: 22,440
duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 10:04 AM   #2671
BlackHelicopters BlackHelicopters is online now
Spiraling down the Drain
 
BlackHelicopters's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Dante's Ninth Circle
Casino cash: $-889412
Been erect since October. Should I seek medical treatment?
__________________
"We're both part of the same hypocrisy, Senator, but never think it applies to my family."


"Fredo. You are my brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the Family again. Ever."
2019 Adopt a Chief - Travis Kelce #87
Posts: 33,351
BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackHelicopters is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 11:10 AM   #2672
mikeyis4dcats. mikeyis4dcats. is offline
Scarlett Johansson's boytoy
 
mikeyis4dcats.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Casino cash: $9555998
Quote:
Originally Posted by siberian khatru View Post
They display the original. A new one is made each year.
well, that's what I thought, but I guess I was surprised it needed maintenance already so I thought maybe I was wrong. But I suppose it probably has been handled quite a bit.
__________________
Posts: 12,526
mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.mikeyis4dcats. is too fat/Omaha.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 11:23 AM   #2673
siberian khatru siberian khatru is offline
21st Century Schizoid Fan
 
siberian khatru's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: The Gates of Delirium
Casino cash: $-1345050
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. View Post
well, that's what I thought, but I guess I was surprised it needed maintenance already so I thought maybe I was wrong. But I suppose it probably has been handled quite a bit.
That's exactly it. Vahe Gregorian did a video and story on the trophy back in November or December and noted that not only was it smudged with fingerprints, but that you could still see champagne stains on it.

So it was sent off to be cleaned, polished and engraved, and will receive the white-glove treatment from now on.
Posts: 71,917
siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.siberian khatru is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 11:33 AM   #2674
DJ's left nut DJ's left nut is online now
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
 
DJ's left nut's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $-830901
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch View Post
I'm not seeing Springers troubles in minor league play
I presumed he meant Springer's very brief struggles in AA during his age 22 season.

I don't think that's exactly a fair comparison given that it was his first full season as a professional and while Starling proceeded to have an okay AFL, Springer absolutely detonated the league at 22.

And if anybody's ready to say that Starling's set up for the kind of season that Springer had at 23....well I'll gladly take that bet. 37 bombs, 45 SBs, a .411 OBP and a strong BB rate to help off-set the relatively high K rate. Even more amazing is that the guy got better in AAA (which goes back to my position that the PCL isn't much better than the TX league to determine what you truly have in a hitter).

If the Royals are extremely lucky, they'll get a player similar to Chris Young in his D-Backs days, IMO. And again, that presumes a fair amount of development that still needs to come for Bubba. And also remember that the 20-25 HR seasons that Young had in AZ are probably 15-18 HR seasons in KC.

That's not without value, but A) it requires additional positive development from Starling that can't be counted on and B) it's still not as good as Lorenzo Cain.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..."

"When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
Posts: 66,851
DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 12:34 PM   #2675
Prison Bitch Prison Bitch is offline
Rabbi Goldmann
 

Join Date: Nov 2012
Casino cash: $5450159
Seems like ur sorta beating a straw man here. Cain is elite, top 10 WAR past two years and 3rd in the MVP voting. I doubt you'll get any resistance to the idea a prospect won't match that.
Posts: 87,025
Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Prison Bitch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 01:01 PM   #2676
DJ's left nut DJ's left nut is online now
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
 
DJ's left nut's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $-830901
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch View Post
Seems like ur sorta beating a straw man here. Cain is elite, top 10 WAR past two years and 3rd in the MVP voting. I doubt you'll get any resistance to the idea a prospect won't match that.
True. I was mostly speaking to the one guy that said the Royals wouldn't drop off much if they lost Cain and Moose because they have Hunter Dozier and Bubba Starling. Even in the unlikely event that both of those guys develop into plus major leaguers, they aren't going to give you the 10-12 WAR that those 2 guys are capable of giving you. You'll be lucky to get half that from them. That's pretty substantial.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..."

"When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
Posts: 66,851
DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 01:24 PM   #2677
duncan_idaho duncan_idaho is offline
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
 
duncan_idaho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $-2109692
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch View Post
I'm not seeing Springers troubles in minor league play

Well, shit. Was posting in foggy reference to a comparison of the two Fangraphs did this summer that compared them based on age and actually lined them up pretty closely.

Disregard said point.

With Starling, the HOPE would be he can be a Mike Cameron type at the high end (.260 hitter who drills 15-20 HR while stealing 25-30 bases and playing elite defense).

Chris Young is also a good offensive comparison to what you can realistically hope he can at this point, though his defensive value would project higher.

Overall, he still has much to prove... But has provided positive movement in that regard for the first time in several years.
__________________
"You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass."
---- Sinatra
Posts: 22,440
duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 03:13 PM   #2678
Saul Good Saul Good is offline
Quit your bullshit
 

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Bored of winning
Casino cash: $10052799
Is this the season Hosmer becomes a superstar?
Posts: 41,870
Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 04:27 PM   #2679
TLO TLO is offline
Life is changing..
 
TLO's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: NW Missouri
Casino cash: $-2570000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good View Post
Is this the season Hosmer becomes a superstar?
Sure
Posts: 43,113
TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 04:34 PM   #2680
CaliforniaChief CaliforniaChief is offline
#RIPAce
 
CaliforniaChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: So Cal
Casino cash: $10555899
Just looking at the schedule...obviously April 3rd is going to be one of the greatest days ever, with Noah Syndergaard there to watch us get our rings and raise our flag.

But then a day off, then a game, then TWO days off before a 3-game series at the K against Minnesota.
Posts: 17,459
CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.CaliforniaChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 04:48 PM   #2681
ChiefsCountry ChiefsCountry is online now
The Insider
 
ChiefsCountry's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Lake of the Ozarks
Casino cash: $-1571248
I noticed they pushed the start times back as well this. 7:15 is the normal start time instead of 7:10. Make some more time slots for the tv and radio networks I assume.
Posts: 52,122
ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.ChiefsCountry is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 05:32 PM   #2682
big nasty kcnut big nasty kcnut is offline
The pizza king of kansas
 
big nasty kcnut's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a.
Casino cash: $-2209100
My penis is still over 9000.
__________________
When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce.

You woke up the wrong mother****er!
Posts: 19,414
big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.big nasty kcnut is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 05:35 PM   #2683
Infidel Goat Infidel Goat is offline
Beer Sherpa
 
Infidel Goat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: shackled in a cellar
Casino cash: $2152493
Quote:
Originally Posted by siberian khatru View Post
That's exactly it. Vahe Gregorian did a video and story on the trophy back in November or December and noted that not only was it smudged with fingerprints, but that you could still see champagne stains on it.

So it was sent off to be cleaned, polished and engraved, and will receive the white-glove treatment from now on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yngq9NmOnFw
Posts: 1,741
Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Infidel Goat must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 06:54 PM   #2684
Great Expectations Great Expectations is offline
MVP
 
Great Expectations's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Joplin, MO
Casino cash: $10742338
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief View Post
Just looking at the schedule...obviously April 3rd is going to be one of the greatest days ever, with Noah Syndergaard there to watch us get our rings and raise our flag.

But then a day off, then a game, then TWO days off before a 3-game series at the K against Minnesota.
I should be able to make that one. My seats should be the same as opening day last year right by the flags in left field.
__________________
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/signaturepics/sigpic11348_1.gif
Posts: 7,308
Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.Great Expectations threw an interception on a screen pass.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 08:12 PM   #2685
WhawhaWhat WhawhaWhat is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Feb 2013
Casino cash: $-688884

Posts: 18,321
WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.WhawhaWhat has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:15 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.