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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 03-01-2016, 02:01 PM   #3301
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Typically, do players like LoCain see a sharp drop-off related to age?

Personally, if there were one player we were planning on keeping between Hosmer, Moustakas, Escobar, and Cain, I would prefer Cain.
Of those four, Cain is the oldest. Hosmer is the youngest. If I could only have one, it'd be Hosmer. If I had to let one go, it would be Escobar.
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:09 PM   #3302
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Third isn't exactly stacked in our minor league system.
I really like Hunter Dozier who's at AA right now.
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:33 PM   #3303
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I really like Hunter Dozier who's at AA right now.
Why? He is 24 and sucking ass in AA. I think Cuthbert is next in line.
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:36 PM   #3304
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Why? He is 24 and sucking ass in AA. I think Cuthbert is next in line.
Duncan would know better than I, but I believe Dozier's ceiling is higher than Cuthbert. I don't believe the Royals see Cuthbert as a replacement for Moose but Dozier might be.
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:38 PM   #3305
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These guys are Big fish in a little pond. This is home. They would most likely get more money elsewhere-but would be just another player. Money isn't everything.

Albert Pujols disagrees.
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:44 PM   #3306
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Why? He is 24 and sucking ass in AA. I think Cuthbert is next in line.
Cuthbert has shown potential imo

Would like for them to really push him this year and see what happens
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:47 PM   #3307
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I thought Cuthbert looked like he belonged last year. I know they've played around with him in the OF but I don't think anything's come of it. It's too bad because it'd be nice to have his bat in the lineup. It's a good situation to be in. Between him and Dozier, they have options. And you'd generally think Moose would be easier to sign than Hosmer. I think they'll legitimately try to re-sign both though. At least by then most of their contact will be covered by the new TV deal.
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Old 03-01-2016, 03:11 PM   #3309
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Dozier has looked way too stiff when I've watched him play. He needs to lay off the juice.
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I wonder if Dayton is going to reach out to any of those guys for a long term deal now that Salvy is done. I assume they at least try.

What about keeping Cyborg after 2017? Does everyone think he's just going to fall off the table, or be too expensive? Rivera was able to keep his cutter magic going for a long long time.
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Albert Pujols disagrees.
I am not sure that is the best example. Hosmer is a great player but has nowhere close to the production of Pujols. The Cards already gave him a 100 million contract and then offered him a great deal before he went to the Angels.

Here is a quick wrap up.

Three teams were reported to be interested in Pujols during the offseason: the Cardinals, the Miami Marlins, and the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. The Cardinals offered Pujols a 10-year, $210 million deal (with $30 million deferred), but Pujols rejected it. His wife explained on a radio talk show that they were "insulted" and "confused" that the Cardinals had initially offered Pujols a five-year deal.[149] The Marlins reportedly offered Pujols a 10-year contract too, but on December 8 he signed a 10-year deal with the Angels worth around $254 million.[150][151][152] The contract offered by the Marlins was reportedly around the value as that offered by the Angels. However, the Marlins (who have a history of fire sales) refused to include a no trade clause in the contract.

I don't think Hosmer would be "insulted" by 210 million bucks- but I guess if some team throws that kind of crazy money at him, he would have to take it.

In hindsight-the Cards really dodged an albatross of a contract.
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Does anyone other than Bro Harper get a 10-year-deal ever again?
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I wonder if Dayton is going to reach out to any of those guys for a long term deal now that Salvy is done. I assume they at least try.

What about keeping Cyborg after 2017? Does everyone think he's just going to fall off the table, or be too expensive? Rivera was able to keep his cutter magic going for a long long time.
I have a feeling Wade's cutter would age pretty well. K-Rod, Madson and O'Day are recent examples of bullpen guys maintaining their effectiveness into their 30's.
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Does anyone other than Bro Harper get a 10-year-deal ever again?
Trout maybe? The Angels are pretty dumb with contracts.
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Today was an amazing day in Royals history. There are fans who are unhappy because the Royals are spending too much money.

Not really, but I never thought I'd see the day where people would question a signing like Salvy's.
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