Chiefs With Justin Houston out, it's time for Chiefs to be right about Dee Ford - Page 2

oaklandhater · 03-24-2016, 01:13 PM

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. – There is a method to the Kansas City Chiefs’ apparent madness when it comes to drafting in the first round under general manager John Dorsey. They’ve selected a player at a so-called premium position in each of the last three drafts, even if they didn’t have an immediate need for his skills.

The Chiefs are determined not to get caught short at an important position. It’s a strategy that makes a lot of sense, but only if they get the draft choices right.

We’re going to find out in the fall if the Chiefs were right about their 2014 first-round draft pick, outside linebacker Dee Ford. Ford became a prominent player for the Chiefs next season with the news that Justin Houston had surgery for an ACL injury. It’s unclear how much of the season Houston will miss, but the Chiefs would be wise not to count on getting anything from Houston until the 2017 season.

The Chiefs will need the Ford they thought they were getting when they drafted him, the player he was in a December victory over the San Diego Chargers last season. In that game, while filling in for the injured Houston, he had three sacks and broke up the potential winning pass in the end zone on the game’s final play.

Other than that, Ford has been mostly unfulfilled potential. He has a quick step that can lead to comparisons with the Chiefs’ all-time leading pass rusher, Pro Football Hall of Fame member Derrick Thomas.

Dee Ford could become a bigger part of the Chiefs' defense with the injury to Justin Houston. Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports
But Ford hasn’t shown a great array of pass-rush moves, certainly not enough for him to be a consistent concern for opposing defensive coordinators. The rest of his game, against the run or in pass coverage, hasn’t been strong enough, either, his play in the end zone while covering Chargers running back Danny Woodhead notwithstanding.

“You can’t be a one-trick pony," Ford said after that game.

The Chiefs haven’t given up on Ford, perhaps by necessity. But they knew he was going to take some time to develop. Ford was a defensive end in college at Auburn, where he was rarely asked to drop into pass coverage.

“The one thing we came out of this past season with is that Dee Ford is a pretty good football player," coach Andy Reid said recently. “He's a first-round pick. Fifty percent of them end up playing and 50 percent of them don't and most of them take a year or two to get going. So you've seen the improvement every year. I'm expecting it to take another jump forward. The one thing we know is he has that potential."

The Chiefs can no longer wait for the payoff. Ford, to his credit, didn’t waste the past two seasons, as frustrating as they might have been, as he waited for his turn.

“Whatever your role is, you have to fill it out," he said. “Be man enough to humble yourself and learn from two of the greatest linebackers in this league."

It will soon be time for Ford to show the lessons he might have learned from Tamba Hali and Houston. Otherwise, the Chiefs might be shopping for another pass rusher in the first round of the 2017 draft.

suzzer99 · 03-24-2016, 11:48 PM

Ford's alright, but I doubt he will ever be great. His football instincts are terrible. I feel like there's a level of intelligence needed to make it to the next level, and Ford just doesn't have it. Remember when he ran the complete wrong way? Can anyone remember seeing anything like that?

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-24-2016, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Can someone ban this ****tard? He's ****ing up every thread.

Won't happen. For some reason they get off on having posters like this shit all over the board.

Dante84 · 03-24-2016, 11:55 PM

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Psyko Tek · 03-25-2016, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Can someone ban this ****tard? He's ****ing up every thread.

Dude, quit feeding the troll
what are you13, he says shit ignore his ass

**mdchiefsfan** · 03-25-2016, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

When you hear them say you going to miss all of next season. #WatchGodWork pic.twitter.com/fuKq4gROFW
— Justin Houston (@JHouston50) March 24, 2016

Aspengc8 · 03-25-2016, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I thought Dee showed much improvement over his rookie season. The PFF stat of his league leading 23 QB pressures in December looks accurate when you rewatch the film.
He got pressure on Carr here several times and forced some early throws and dumpoffs.

He's got 5.5 sacks in only 600ish snaps (half a seasons equivalent). He can get in the backfield on speed and effort alone, and while he did show a bull rush and spin move in this game, those moves need to be perfected and utilized along with better hand usage.

I think the floor for him should be 7 sacks. He can do that with the amount of time he'll play. He just needs to push through and do finish plays like the one in NE that he missed and cost us.

Here's all of his snaps from Oakland:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R_1kbilEcPE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OTDXNQIrF4Y

Rushing the passer is the one trick pony reference everyone is talking about. He is pretty much abysmal in other phases of his position. He had one huge game vs sandy eggo, in which he graded out + overall. The rest of his games he was -.

**007** · 03-25-2016, 06:53 AM

He showed signs of life last year. He won't replace Houston but he will be serviceable. They should be looking for someone in the draft as well.

RunKC · 03-25-2016, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Rushing the passer is the one trick pony reference everyone is talking about. He is pretty much abysmal in other phases of his position. He had one huge game vs sandy eggo, in which he graded out + overall. The rest of his games he was -.

I'm fine with him being a one trick pass rusher if he gets 7-8 sacks a year and consistent pressure on QB's like I saw in the Oakland and SD games.
I Thought his run defense got a little better but still needs some work. He had flashes but still showed his flaws in that regard.

One thing that I think is reeruned is coverage for LB's. I wouldn't put a LB in coverage unless it was on a RB. Sutton put Ford on Edelman, Gates and Rivera and of course Dee for burnt. It's a complete mismatch to put him on guys like that. That's why we have the nickel defense.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 03-25-2016, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I'm fine with him being a one trick pass rusher if he gets 7-8 sacks a year and consistent pressure on QB's like I saw in the Oakland and SD games.
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Thought his run defense got a little better by still needs some work. He had flashes but still showed his flaws in that regard.

One thing that I think is reeruned is coverage for LB's. I wouldn't put a LB in coverage unless it was on a RB. Sutton put Ford on Edelman, Gates and Rivera and of course Dee for burnt. It's a complete mismatch to put him on guys like that. That's why we have the nickel defense.

Ford wasn't getting consistent pressure in that second Oakland game where he was the full time starter. He got an opportunity when Carr hung on to the ball for six seconds but overall he was getting straight up bullied

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-26-2016, 06:42 AM

Faid did NOTHING on offense that day bob

Mother****erJones · 03-26-2016, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Can someone ban this ****tard? He's ****ing up every thread.

Oh ya. The best part of him ran down his moms leg. What a ****ing dumpster fire of a human being.

ct · 03-26-2016, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

Dude, quit feeding the troll
what are you13, he says shit ignore his ass

even better, put dane on ignore as well

**RealSNR** · 03-26-2016, 10:20 AM

You see how nobody likes you, Bob?

**BossChief** · 03-26-2016, 10:21 AM

Why don't the mods MU this guy?

Mother****erJones · 03-26-2016, 11:11 AM

Bob should be euthanized for wanting Irvin over Houston.

03-24-2016, 01:13 PM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5798993	With Justin Houston out, it's time for Chiefs to be right about Dee Ford http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ht-on-dee-ford KANSAS CITY, Mo. – There is a method to the Kansas City Chiefs’ apparent madness when it comes to drafting in the first round under general manager John Dorsey. They’ve selected a player at a so-called premium position in each of the last three drafts, even if they didn’t have an immediate need for his skills. The Chiefs are determined not to get caught short at an important position. It’s a strategy that makes a lot of sense, but only if they get the draft choices right. We’re going to find out in the fall if the Chiefs were right about their 2014 first-round draft pick, outside linebacker Dee Ford. Ford became a prominent player for the Chiefs next season with the news that Justin Houston had surgery for an ACL injury. It’s unclear how much of the season Houston will miss, but the Chiefs would be wise not to count on getting anything from Houston until the 2017 season. The Chiefs will need the Ford they thought they were getting when they drafted him, the player he was in a December victory over the San Diego Chargers last season. In that game, while filling in for the injured Houston, he had three sacks and broke up the potential winning pass in the end zone on the game’s final play. Other than that, Ford has been mostly unfulfilled potential. He has a quick step that can lead to comparisons with the Chiefs’ all-time leading pass rusher, Pro Football Hall of Fame member Derrick Thomas. Dee Ford could become a bigger part of the Chiefs' defense with the injury to Justin Houston. Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports But Ford hasn’t shown a great array of pass-rush moves, certainly not enough for him to be a consistent concern for opposing defensive coordinators. The rest of his game, against the run or in pass coverage, hasn’t been strong enough, either, his play in the end zone while covering Chargers running back Danny Woodhead notwithstanding. “You can’t be a one-trick pony," Ford said after that game. The Chiefs haven’t given up on Ford, perhaps by necessity. But they knew he was going to take some time to develop. Ford was a defensive end in college at Auburn, where he was rarely asked to drop into pass coverage. “The one thing we came out of this past season with is that Dee Ford is a pretty good football player," coach Andy Reid said recently. “He's a first-round pick. Fifty percent of them end up playing and 50 percent of them don't and most of them take a year or two to get going. So you've seen the improvement every year. I'm expecting it to take another jump forward. The one thing we know is he has that potential." The Chiefs can no longer wait for the payoff. Ford, to his credit, didn’t waste the past two seasons, as frustrating as they might have been, as he waited for his turn. “Whatever your role is, you have to fill it out," he said. “Be man enough to humble yourself and learn from two of the greatest linebackers in this league." It will soon be time for Ford to show the lessons he might have learned from Tamba Hali and Houston. Otherwise, the Chiefs might be shopping for another pass rusher in the first round of the 2017 draft.
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