Chiefs Thin and young Secondary Thoughts - Page 3

Chief Roundup · 03-28-2016, 10:21 AM

Our Defense is now down a 3rd player in the secondary. All 3 of these players were high quality veteran players that were important to our team and Defense.
Peters has been exceptional. But his own youth almost got the most of him a couple of times as even he alluded too. He mentioned that the veterans helped calm him down.
I do not really know what is available from the FA pool. I know there seems like some good prospects in the draft at the CB position, can they have as much impact in their rookie season as Peters did though is the real question.
Don't know much about the Safety pool in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if we spend our first two rounds on the secondary.

I hope we sign at least one vet and don't go that young.

O.city · 03-28-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Totally agree.
Unless we sign a decent FA vet safety, or get our 3rd back, I hope we draft a S in the 2cd. I just don't believe the talent will be there at the safety position, 4th round, that late in the draft compared to say the G spot that needs some attention also.

But the thing is, if you take a safety in the 4th or 5th round, you aren't going to depend on him to be the guy back there. He's gonna be the 4th or 5th in line for that.

Hell, they've scrapped together guys like demps, Coleman and turned them around. I wouldn't put it past them to find another guy like that

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-28-2016, 02:45 PM

Heading into 2014 we were much thinner and less talented in the secondary and still managed to have an elite pass defense.

I'm not too worried. Address some things before the start of the season, yeah, but at the end of the day if the front 7 is doing their job and the coaching staff is doing theirs, we're going to have a really good pass defense again.

Chief Roundup · 03-28-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

But the thing is, if you take a safety in the 4th or 5th round, you aren't going to depend on him to be the guy back there. He's gonna be the 4th or 5th in line for that.

Hell, they've scrapped together guys like demps, Coleman and turned them around. I wouldn't put it past them to find another guy like that

We have Berry, Parker and Sorenson. We lost both of our second string safeties. Sorensen is listed as the 3rd string because he is primarily for ST. The players that we bring in should stay ahead of Sorensen on the depth chart and although you might say they would be 3 and 4 they are both actually 2cd string that will play a lot of snaps. They have to be better than Sorensen IMO.
The Safety position has become more and more important, therefore you don't find the talent we need in those late rounds. The position is "overvalued or overdrafted" similar to but not to the extent of the QB, CB, OLB/DE positions.
I like Parker but he is actually more of a crossover type that can and does go back and forth between S and CB which can help the defense hide some of its coverage schemes. He wasn't the starter at the beginning of last year for a reason.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-28-2016, 02:57 PM

Abdullah played next to DJ in nickel packages. Could see the Chiefs drafting another guy to play that role, almost even like Deone Bucannon or Mark Barron.

staylor26 · 03-28-2016, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

We have Berry, Parker and Sorenson. We lost both of our second string safeties. Sorensen is listed as the 3rd string because he is primarily for ST. The players that we bring in should stay ahead of Sorensen on the depth chart and although you might say they would be 3 and 4 they are both actually 2cd string that will play a lot of snaps. They have to be better than Sorensen IMO.
The Safety position has become more and more important, therefore you don't find the talent we need in those late rounds. The position is "overvalued or overdrafted" similar to but not to the extent of the QB, CB, OLB/DE positions.
I like Parker but he is actually more of a crossover type that can and does go back and forth between S and CB which can help the defense hide some of its coverage schemes. He wasn't the starter at the beginning of last year for a reason.

Parker was a starter at safety week 1, but was forced to play nickel when Gaines went down. He played very well at safety in 2014 and that's where they intended on him playing when they re-signed him last offseason. I don't know what you're talking about.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-28-2016, 03:03 PM

Yeah, Parker was the starting SS last year week 1 and likely will be this year too..

**gblowfish** · 03-28-2016, 03:06 PM

They'll draft a shitload of corners this year...

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-28-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

They'll draft a shitload of corners this year...

They'll take 2, if they don't sign one before then

Chief Roundup · 03-28-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Parker was a starter at safety week 1, but was forced to play nickel when Gaines went down. He played very well at safety in 2014 and that's where they intended on him playing when they re-signed him last offseason. I don't know what you're talking about.

I guess the injury is why I don't recall him being the starter. As I recall thinking that Parker got that contract because he could play either position in the secondary at a high level. Parker has went back and forth between the two positions a couple of times as I recall.

RunKC · 03-28-2016, 03:16 PM

When you watch the film on the games without Sean Smith, it wasn't as bad overall as you might think.

Fleming got burned in man coverage vs Denver, but he was a good tackler to his credit. I think he does need to have things in front of him to do better overall like he showed in 2014.
Marcus Cooper was a complete disaster out there. My god that guy sucks so much. seeing him get raped by Rodgers was bad enough. Dude gave up 2 TD's that game.

It just seems like depth was our biggest issue bc Gaines was actually pretty good. Yeah he tore his ACL when he gave up a TD but besides that he looked solid.

It woukdnt surprise me at all to see Dorsey skip CB round 1 and trust Peters/Gaines/Nelson. I know Nelson didn't play much last year, but I believe a big part of that was bc Fleming and Cooper had experience opening the season and then Nelson needed to adjust.
But if they do want a CB, it's gotta be someone capable of covering the slot really well. IMO Jackson and Alexander seem like the best choices to cover that role from our pick at 28.

But is there really a huge dropoff if we chose a guy like Maurice Canady in round 2?

**Easy 6** · 03-28-2016, 05:53 PM

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Sanders Commings is ready to break a leg.

I was trying to think of a way to bring his name up earlier...nice

Skyy God · 03-28-2016, 06:11 PM

Personally, I like thin and young.....

Strongside · 03-28-2016, 06:16 PM

Read this thread as "Thin and Young Secretary thoughts" and was excited to weigh in.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-28-2016, 06:44 PM

BossChief touched on this a little on the first page, but the main reason(s) I'm not worried about the secondary a whole lot...

Deberg_1990 · 03-28-2016, 06:47 PM

I like this 'Young, dumb and full of c**' secondary

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03-28-2016, 02:45 PM	#32
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6569447	Heading into 2014 we were much thinner and less talented in the secondary and still managed to have an elite pass defense. I'm not too worried. Address some things before the start of the season, yeah, but at the end of the day if the front 7 is doing their job and the coaching staff is doing theirs, we're going to have a really good pass defense again.
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6569447	Abdullah played next to DJ in nickel packages. Could see the Chiefs drafting another guy to play that role, almost even like Deone Bucannon or Mark Barron.
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6569447	Yeah, Parker was the starting SS last year week 1 and likely will be this year too..
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03-28-2016, 03:16 PM	#40
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1690389	When you watch the film on the games without Sean Smith, it wasn't as bad overall as you might think. Fleming got burned in man coverage vs Denver, but he was a good tackler to his credit. I think he does need to have things in front of him to do better overall like he showed in 2014. Marcus Cooper was a complete disaster out there. My god that guy sucks so much. seeing him get raped by Rodgers was bad enough. Dude gave up 2 TD's that game. It just seems like depth was our biggest issue bc Gaines was actually pretty good. Yeah he tore his ACL when he gave up a TD but besides that he looked solid. It woukdnt surprise me at all to see Dorsey skip CB round 1 and trust Peters/Gaines/Nelson. I know Nelson didn't play much last year, but I believe a big part of that was bc Fleming and Cooper had experience opening the season and then Nelson needed to adjust. But if they do want a CB, it's gotta be someone capable of covering the slot really well. IMO Jackson and Alexander seem like the best choices to cover that role from our pick at 28. But is there really a huge dropoff if we chose a guy like Maurice Canady in round 2?
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