Thin and young Secondary Thoughts

[Chief Roundup]

Our Defense is now down a 3rd player in the secondary. All 3 of these players were high quality veteran players that were important to our team and Defense.
Peters has been exceptional. But his own youth almost got the most of him a couple of times as even he alluded too. He mentioned that the veterans helped calm him down.
I do not really know what is available from the FA pool. I know there seems like some good prospects in the draft at the CB position, can they have as much impact in their rookie season as Peters did though is the real question.
Don't know much about the Safety pool in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if we spend our first two rounds on the secondary.

I hope we sign at least one vet and don't go that young.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've never reached on an immediate need just because of said need.

If corner matches up,theyll take one. If not, I could see them going another direction.

The whole BPA/need debate is often conjecture at best. What fans perceive as need and what organization's deem as need can differ. We are not privy to remaining FA interests the Chiefs may have with players. We are at the stage of free agency where many of the remaining FA's out there will be picked up after the draft when a team feels it needs to round out positions for depth.

Fans aren't stupid, and are aware of roster deficiencies, but how much of an emphasis individual teams place on need vs. BPA varies from franchise to franchise. Every GM is going to "say" they take the BPA at any and every given pick, but there are so many factors that go into evaluations of what truly constitutes your BPA: production, health/injury history, experience, measureables, character, etc.

Look at Dorsey's recent early picks:
Peters? - definite need, and arguable BPA (where as some teams stayed away because of character concerns, so for some he was not the BPA)
Ford? - arguable about immediate need, and arguable about BPA. I believe the Ford pick was based on supply/demand that draft year for pass rushers and an aging Hali consideration.
Fisher? - definite need, but at the time also merited legitimate #1 overall consideration given a weak draft class especially at the top. Not a lot of elite blue-chip talent that year or consensus prospects.

Corner this year is a need whether it be slot or #2, unless they are ready to turn Gaines and Nelson loose as starters (which could happen). The DL rotation could be shored up and when factoring contract situations, maybe a buffer against Poe and Howard could be brought in.
Personally my gut feeling says the Chiefs will go with a secondary player (Corner or safety) early given the departures of Smith/Branch/Abdullah. The DL depth in this draft should mean great talent is available later.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

The whole BPA/need debate is often conjecture at best. What fans perceive as need and what organization's deem as need can differ. We are not privy to remaining FA interests the Chiefs may have with players. We are at the stage of free agency where many of the remaining FA's out there will be picked up after the draft when a team feels it needs to round out positions for depth.

Fans aren't stupid, and are aware of roster deficiencies, but how much of an emphasis individual teams place on need vs. BPA varies from franchise to franchise. Every GM is going to "say" they take the BPA at any and every given pick, but there are so many factors that go into evaluations of what truly constitutes your BPA: production, health/injury history, experience, measureables, character, etc.

Look at Dorsey's recent early picks:
Peters? - definite need, and arguable BPA (where as some teams stayed away because of character concerns, so for some he was not the BPA)
Ford? - arguable about immediate need, and arguable about BPA. I believe the Ford pick was based on supply/demand that draft year for pass rushers and an aging Hali consideration.
Fisher? - definite need, but at the time also merited legitimate #1 overall consideration given a weak draft class especially at the top. Not a lot of elite blue-chip talent that year or consensus prospects.

Corner this year is a need whether it be slot or #2, unless they are ready to turn Gaines and Nelson loose as starters (which could happen). The DL rotation could be shored up and when factoring contract situations, maybe a buffer against Poe and Howard could be brought in.
Personally my gut feeling says the Chiefs will go with a secondary player (Corner or safety) early given the departures of Smith/Branch/Abdullah. The DL depth in this draft should mean great talent is available later.

They just don't seem to reach for the draft. They do a good job of letting it come to them.

I agree with your post though.

It just seems alot like the year we were so badly needing a wr and ended up with Ford where everyone and their brother had us going wr.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

3rd downs to start. Just let him get up and go I'd imagine.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

I don't think Dorsey cares about that. He's not drafting for next year. Poe is a FA after this season, then Howard the next, and Bailey in three years.

If he feels Nkemdiche is BPA he will take him.

As for this year, I think Nkemdiche could be used as an interior pass rusher in sub packages.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

3-4 OLB and interior pass rush

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That's what I'm thinking. Maybe Treadwell though.

Nkemdiche has Dorsey written all over him.

The guy called himself lazy at the combine. Doesn't sound like he is passionate about football to me.

Vernon Butler over this dumbass any day.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The guy called himself lazy at the combine. Doesn't sound like he is passionate about football to me.

Vernon Butler over this dumbass any day.

Dorsey has no history of drafting players with work ethic issues, so that would really make Nkemdiche seem like a long shot

[RunKC]

@TerezPaylor-Dorsey on the state of the CB position: "There’s a reason why we drafted (Steven) Nelson and Phillip Gaines where we did."

Typical GM talk but I do think there is truth to this.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

@TerezPaylor-Dorsey on the state of the CB position: "There’s a reason why we drafted (Steven) Nelson and Phillip Gaines where we did."

Typical GM talk but I do think there is truth to this.

Yea we aren't taking a corner in the 1st.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RunKC

@TerezPaylor-Dorsey on the state of the CB position: "There’s a reason why we drafted (Steven) Nelson and Phillip Gaines where we did."

Typical GM talk but I do think there is truth to this.

Reinforces what many have been thinking with them not signing any CBs in FA.

I think they plan to start those guys.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Dorsey, when asked if the #Chiefs are planning on Houston being ready pretty early: “Yeah, absolutely." - @TerezPaylor

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

3-4 OLB and interior pass rush

think he can stand up at olb?

[O.city]

I wouldn't read too much into what any gm says this time of year

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Dorsey, when asked if the #Chiefs are planning on Houston being ready pretty early: “Yeah, absolutely." - @TerezPaylor

Where's OP?