Chiefs Chiefs have multiple draft prospects/FA's visiting - Page 2

RunKC · 04-05-2016, 08:50 AM

Vernon Butler DL La Tech
Kyle Peko DL Oregon

And also FA's Da'Quan Bowers (Q but I'm lumping him in) and CB Phillip Adams.

Arrowheadpride has this info on their front page, and here is the Peko tweet:

Terez Paylor@TerezPaylor-
Oregon State DT Kyle Peko is visiting with the #Chiefs today, I'm told.

Chief Roundup · 04-05-2016, 10:00 AM

If we draft Butler does that mean the end of Poe with us in your opinion?

**The Franchise** · 04-05-2016, 10:01 AM

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If we draft Butler does that mean the end of Poe with us in your opinion?

No but it would be insurance if Poe decides to hold out for an insane amount of money.

Chief Roundup · 04-05-2016, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

No but it would be insurance if Poe decides to hold out for an insane amount of money.

Does his number have to really be insane for us not to be able to afford to keep him? I know there is always a way around the cap so to speak but we have been handing out some nice contracts. We still have one to finish up with Berry.

RunKC · 04-05-2016, 10:10 AM

DL round 1 makes the most sense. The talent available will be an incredible value. Vernon Butler, Chris Jones and Hassan Ridgeway are legit top 25 talents in any other draft.
Every starting DL will be a FA in the next consecutivw years, so it's hard to believe we will be able to keep all of those guys.

Nick Williams will most likely cost more than 600k after this season so he could be gone in 2017.

It just makes sense to have an amazing rotation at DL, especially with Houston coming off his injury.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-05-2016, 10:17 AM

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anybody know much about adams? decent vet depth to bring on board?

27 years old, selected in the 7th round of the 2010 Draft.

He's bounced around the NFL with the 49ers, Patriots, Seahawks, Raiders, Jets and Falcons through out his career.

He's appeared in 78 games with 11 starts with 5 INT's, 3 Fumble Recoveries and 99 tackles.

He seems like a special teams/5th CB type of player.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-05-2016, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It just makes sense to have an amazing rotation at DL, especially with Houston coming off his injury.

IMO, it makes more sense to have a Blue Chip CB like Jackson, Apple or Alexander.

Selecting a late first round DT, which is one of the toughest transitions from college to the pro's, is a guarantee of nothing in 2016.

**The Franchise** · 04-05-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IMO, it makes more sense to have a Blue Chip CB like Jackson, Apple or Alexander.

Selecting a late first round DT, which is one of the toughest transitions from college to the pro's, is a guarantee of nothing in 2016.

That and this draft has depth when it comes to defensive linemen. I'd rather grab someone like Jackson, Apple or Alexander in the 1st and then grab a defensive linemen like Bullard or Day in the 2nd.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-05-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

That and this draft has depth when it comes to defensive linemen. I'd rather grab someone like Jackson, Apple or Alexander in the 1st and then grab a defensive linemen like Bullard or Day in the 2nd.

Agreed.

The drop off in CB talent from #28 to #59 will be significantly higher than the drop off in talent from the DE/DT's, or so we've been led to believe.

RunKC · 04-05-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IMO, it makes more sense to have a Blue Chip CB like Jackson, Apple or Alexander.

Selecting a late first round DT, which is one of the toughest transitions from college to the pro's, is a guarantee of nothing in 2016.

Neither is a CB, or any position. CB arguably the hardest position to learn/play in today's NFL.

I like those 2 positions in the first 2 rounds, however, the talent could be different.
For example, NFL.com says WJIII compares to Phillip Gaines. Same site says Vernon Butler compares to Muhammed Wilkerson. Now that's just their opinion, but if it's how you feel as a GM, which player would you take at 28?

RunKC · 04-05-2016, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Agreed.

The drop off in CB talent from #28 to #59 will be significantly higher than the drop off in talent from the DE/DT's, or so we've been led to believe.

Great point. I think the Chiefs are doing their homework on that right now with Al Harris/Emmitt Smith at Southern Miss checking out Kalan Reed.

Hydrae · 04-05-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IMO, it makes more sense to have a Blue Chip CB like Jackson, Apple or Alexander.

Selecting a late first round DT, which is one of the toughest transitions from college to the pro's, is a guarantee of nothing in 2016.

No but it seems to match the pattern that Dorsey has started of using a first round pick on the next years biggest FA to be (Fisher/Albert, Ford/Hali, Peters/S Smith, Poe/???). So given this history I would not be at all surprised (although I think CB is much more of a need currently).

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-05-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

No but it seems to match the pattern that Dorsey has started of using a first round pick on the next years biggest FA to be (Fisher/Albert, Ford/Hali, Peters/S Smith, Poe/???). So given this history I would not be at all surprised (although I think CB is much more of a need currently).

But once again, the drop off in talent between Round 1 & 2 for the cornerback position is much greater than the drop off in talent among the DT/DE group.

Dorsey has proven that he'll take the BPA but it's likely that the drop off in talent between those positions will factor in his decision.

staylor26 · 04-05-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But once again, the drop off in talent between Round 1 & 2 for the cornerback position is much greater than the drop off in talent among the DT/DE group.

Dorsey has proven that he'll take the BPA but it's likely that the drop off in talent between those positions will factor in his decision.

I agree, but if Apple, Alexander, and WJ3 are gone, DL will likely be BPA. The only other corner I can see us taking is Burns and that might be a slight reach at 28.

I still trust Dorsey's ability to find a corner at the end of round 2.

RunKC · 04-05-2016, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I agree, but if Apple, Alexander, and WJ3 are gone, DL will likely be BPA. The only other corner I can see us taking is Burns and that might be a slight reach at 28.

I still trust Dorsey's ability to find a corner at the end of round 2.

I can see Dorsey taking Alexander, but I'm wondering if he would rather have a guy like Artie Burns.
Alexander has the same measurables as Steven Nelson. The difference is that one played on an elite surrounding team.

I can't see Dorsey passing on a guy like Vernon Butler for Mackensie Alexander.

jonzie04 · 04-05-2016, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I can see Dorsey taking Alexander, but I'm wondering if he would rather have a guy like Artie Burns.
Alexander has the same measurables as Steven Nelson. The difference is that one played on an elite surrounding team

I can't see Dorsey passing on a guy like Vernon Butler for Mackensie Alexander.

The only difference between Alexander and Nelson is that one guy played on an elite team....

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