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Old 04-30-2016, 04:27 PM  
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Thoughts on the 2016 draft class
Chris Jones DL MSU
KeiVarae Russell CB ND
Parker Ehinger G/T Cincinnati
Eric Murray CB Minnesota
Demarcus Robinson WR Florida
Kevin Hogan QB Stanford
Tyreek Hill RB/PR West Alabama
DJ White CB Georgia Tech
Dadi Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech

What are your thoughts? Any steals? What's your initial grade?
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:11 PM   #301
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The Chiefs had a tradable commodity in Jamaal Charles this offseason that would have netted Chiefs draft picks and would have freed up needed salary cap space, yet it seems like the Chiefs never seriously considered aggressively trying to see what type of market was available for Charles.
This is ****ing outright BULLSHIT.

No NFL team is giving up a draft pick for a 29 year old running back coming off his second ACL surgery.

You continue to prove that you're a ****ing idiot, Mr. 50/50.
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:11 PM   #302
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What have the Chiefs done to effectively replace Sean Smith? See the Chiefs pass defense last year without Sean Smith.

What have the Chiefs done to effectively ensure they can still generate a consistent pass rush without a healthy Justin Houston? See the Chiefs last year, especially in the Patriots playoff game without a healthy Justin Houston.
Ummm they drafted 3 ****ing corners, all of whom were great values at their respective spots.

Also, it's pretty ****ing obvious Houston is going to be back earlier than people expect.
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:12 PM   #303
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As far as Charles, it seems clear they are eyeing this year as one where a deep playoff run is in the cards and they wanted their most explosive offensive player to be here for it

It would've been a terrible mistake to let him go for a few picks IMO
If the Chiefs strategy is to go all in and make a run with veteran players, then why not try to make a more aggressive move to sign a veteran free agent to replace Sean Smith?
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:14 PM   #304
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What have the Chiefs done to effectively replace Sean Smith? See the Chiefs pass defense last year without Sean Smith.

What have the Chiefs done to effectively ensure they can still generate a consistent pass rush without a healthy Justin Houston? See the Chiefs last year, especially in the Patriots playoff game without a healthy Justin Houston.
Phillip Gaines returning from an injury and they drafted three cornerbacks. One of which would have been at least a second round pick if not for a suspension and a broken leg.

Drafted Dee Ford two years ago and Houston will be back. Also signed a couple of fill-in free agents to compete.
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:14 PM   #305
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Dorsey is from the green bay tree. He's never gonna go all in like a jerry Jones might.

He's always gonna have an eye towards the future
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:16 PM   #306
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Ummm they drafted 3 ****ing corners, all of whom were great values at their respective spots.

Also, it's pretty ****ing obvious Houston is going to be back earlier than people expect.
Do you see any of the three corners that the Chiefs drafted immediately stepping in, starting and playing as well as Sean Smith did for the Chiefs last year?

Also there is a difference between Justin Houston being "back" and being back at 100%.

Based on Justin Houston's history, there is a significant drop-off from him playing healthy vs. him playing at not 100 % healthy. See Justin Houston in the infamous Colts playoff game.
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:17 PM   #307
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If the Chiefs strategy is to go all in and make a run with veteran players, then why not try to make a more aggressive move to sign a veteran free agent to replace Sean Smith?
Pretty sure they're looking at Gaines as Smiths replacement, yes he has to stay healthy, but he knows the system and flashed everything one could want to see in his limited snaps

But, if he craps the bed somehow we still have Nelson who is presumably going to be better with a year under his belt, and now three new well regarded draft picks to put next to him

As far as a vet free agent, we arent exactly loaded with cap room
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:17 PM   #308
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Also if all of the reports are true, it appears that the Chiefs were seriously outmaneuvered in the draft for players that they coveted, with other teams trading up to draft these players the Chiefs reportedly wanted.
what garbage.. if they coveted them as much as you suggest, they would have made sure they got them by moving up for them.
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Phillip Gaines returning from an injury and they drafted three cornerbacks. One of which would have been at least a second round pick if not for a suspension and a broken leg.

Drafted Dee Ford two years ago and Houston will be back. Also signed a couple of fill-in free agents to compete.
Last year when Gaines had to fill in for Sean Smith during his early season suspension, the Chiefs pass defense was terrible.

In the Patriots playoff game last year when Dee Ford had an opportunity to replace Justin Houston's production he was invisible.

People seem to be putting a lot of faith in two players stepping up when they didn't show an ability to do so last year.
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Do you see any of the three corners that the Chiefs drafted immediately stepping in, starting and playing as well as Sean Smith did for the Chiefs last year?

Also there is a difference between Justin Houston being "back" and being back at 100%.

Based on Justin Houston's history, there is a significant drop-off from him playing healthy vs. him playing at not 100 % healthy. See Justin Houston in the infamous Colts playoff game.
Russell has more talent than Sean Smith. He might not play as well as Smith did last year right off the bat, but long-term he has the ability to be an All-pro cornerback.
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Last year when Gaines had to fill in for Sean Smith during his early season suspension, the Chiefs pass defense was terrible.

In the Patriots playoff game last year when Dee Ford had an opportunity to replace Justin Houston's production he was invisible.

People seem to be putting a lot of faith in two players stepping up when they didn't show an ability to do so last year.
Gaines was very good in the first 3 weeks he played, and in 2014 when he got his opportunity. He wasn't filling in for Sean Smith, Flemming was.

You're clearly ****ing clueless.

I'm embarrassed to be a Chiefs/Hurricanes fan on here because of you now.
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This draft, and this offseason for that matter has highlighted Dorsey's weakness as a GM.

He is not good at strategically maneuvering to land impact players in free agency or the draft.

He is competent at closing the deal to sign/draft a player who the Chiefs want/need when the player is readily available and when the Chiefs have the salary cap room, but when the situation is more complicated (i.e. the Chiefs don't have the immediate salary cap room or other teams are trading up in the draft to land players the Chiefs covet), Dorsey too often appears to be outmaneuvered.

The Chiefs had a tradable commodity in Jamaal Charles this offseason that would have netted Chiefs draft picks and would have freed up needed salary cap space, yet it seems like the Chiefs never seriously considered aggressively trying to see what type of market was available for Charles.

Also if all of the reports are true, it appears that the Chiefs were seriously outmaneuvered in the draft for players that they coveted, with other teams trading up to draft these players the Chiefs reportedly wanted.
OMG....didn't he just draft the DROY? Was Peters not "impact" enough for you? He landed Maclin in FA...I guess that didn't impact the team either. Finding Ware and West sucked too...Dorsey is SO shitty...he just signed the best RT in the NFL.
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OMG....didn't he just draft the DROY? Was Peters not "impact" enough for you?
Not to mention a top 10 center in Morse.
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Last year when Gaines had to fill in for Sean Smith during his early season suspension, the Chiefs pass defense was terrible.

In the Patriots playoff game last year when Dee Ford had an opportunity to replace Justin Houston's production he was invisible.

People seem to be putting a lot of faith in two players stepping up when they didn't show an ability to do so last year.
Gaines played well the two games he played. He wasn't abused in the Denver game.
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Russell has more talent than Sean Smith. He might not play as well as Smith did last year right off the bat, but long-term he has the ability to be an All-pro cornerback.
How is waiting for a young player to eventually develop into the veteran player you let go in free agency (Sean Smith) compatible with the decision to re-sign Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali?

It is another example of the Chiefs not going all in to try to win now with this current group of veteran players.
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