Chiefs President Mark Donovan Shares Plans for St. Louis Market

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How do you think that lifelong fans in Los Angeles felt about the Rams moving after being in the city for the first 31 years, then in Anaheim the following 14 years?

St. Louis has never been a good football city, which goes back to the Cardinals.

I'd imagine they felt like shit, too. They have/had every right to hate Frontiere and the NFL.

Also, your claim of St. Louis not being a good football city is bullshit.

The city just ****ing offered to pay up to build a second stadium with public money in less than 25 years and supported a team that had only 4 winning seasons and 5 playoff appearances in 21 seasons. Hell, I think the football Cardinals were more beloved in St. Louis than the Rams were.
Bidwell left because the city wouldn't play ball with him. He wanted to stay in St. Louis.

If you're going to claim St. Louis isn't a football city, can I claim the same regarding LA which lost 2 football teams as well(3 if you want to include the Chargers)?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

If you're going to claim St. Louis isn't a football city, can I claim the same regarding LA which lost 2 football teams as well(3 if you want to include the Chargers)?

The Rams sold out the Coliseum for the first 30 years they were in Los Angeles. Frontiere moved them to Anaheim, which isn't Los Angeles, nor is it in Los Angeles County.

The Rams were a great team in the 80's. It wasn't until the early 90's that attendance dropped due to the fact that Frontiere was trying to get out of her Anaheim deal and of course, jumped to St. Louis.

The Rams are back home, where they belong.

And yes, the St. Louis is a shitty football town. The Cardinals were awful and the attendance was crap. As soon as the Rams started faltering, the crowds disappeared.

Furthermore, the city only offered to build a stadium once it was readily apparent that Kroenke was planning to move but regardless, Kroenke was moving them back to Los Angeles.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Rams sold out the Coliseum for the first 30 years they were in Los Angeles. Frontiere moved them to Anaheim, which isn't Los Angeles, nor is it in Los Angeles County.

The Rams were a great team in the 80's. It wasn't until the early 90's that attendance dropped due to the fact that Frontiere was trying to get out of her Anaheim deal and of course, jumped to St. Louis.

The Rams are back home, where they belong.

And yes, the St. Louis is a shitty football town. The Cardinals were awful and the attendance was crap. As soon as the Rams started faltering, the crowds disappeared.

Furthermore, the city only offered to build a stadium once it was readily apparent that Kroenke was planning to move but regardless, Kroenke was moving them back to Los Angeles.

The Rams sold out every game in St. Louis from 1995 to the second last home game in 2006. Then after they, went 15-65(worst 5 year stretch in NFL history) while Kroenke became majority owner. Then, the smoke about the team moving didn't really happen until 2013 when the Rams won arbitration due to a stupid term the city politicians gave the Rams when they negotiated the lease.

Speaking as someone who went to the 16th game of the season in 2011 when they were 2-13 and starting a 3rd string QB during that game, I'm fully aware of the attendance. But I think every city aside from Cleveland would see an attendance drop if prolonged losing occurred.

Also, that reminds me. NEITHER SAN DIEGO OR OAKLAND AT THE TIME OFFERED PUBLIC FUNDING FOR A STADIUM. And they both kept their teams. How is that not BS?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Also, that reminds me. NEITHER SAN DIEGO OR OAKLAND AT THE TIME OFFERED PUBLIC FUNDING FOR A STADIUM. And they both kept their teams. How is that not BS?

It's not over for either city.

If the stadium referendum doesn't get on the November ballot or it's defeated, the Chargers will likely move to Los Angeles.

The Raiders are on a year to year lease. There's no way Oakland or Alameda County will ever back a publicly funded stadium so either Raiders end up in Las Vegas or in Los Angeles, if the Chargers decline.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's not over for either city.

If the stadium referendum doesn't get on the November ballot or it's defeated, the Chargers will likely move to Los Angeles.

The Raiders are on a year to year lease. There's no way Oakland or Alameda County will ever back a publicly funded stadium so either Raiders end up in Las Vegas or in Los Angeles, if the Chargers decline.

I think the Raiders end up in Vegas and the Chargers go to LA. I don't see SD passing the referendum(sorry Buck ).