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Old 06-29-2016, 06:25 PM   #46
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Bengals have 'been in contention' too... there's no true right or wrong way to do it, the trick is getting away from bad contracts or aging players before it's too late and just knowing when to move on.
Dalton is not a franchise QB my man.
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Old 06-29-2016, 06:33 PM   #47
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Dalton is not a franchise QB my man.
Really... ok, where do you rank him?
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Dalton is iffy but when he's on he's really good.

He's worse than Peyton in the post season though.
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Old 06-29-2016, 06:36 PM   #49
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Bengals have 'been in contention' too... there's no true right or wrong way to do it, the trick is getting away from bad contracts or aging players before it's too late and just knowing when to move on.
I think there is a proven way. Getting good talent cheap and developing through the draft.

NE and Denver are good examples, but Seattle might be the best I've ever seen. All of ther best players were pro bowl caliber guys on rookie contracts when they won the SB.

That's insane.
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This will likely work out for the Colts given cap and contract escalation. The Colts also basically had to sign him long-term but he's not earned that kind of cash just yet. He just came off his worst season yet. Injury be damned- he was playing like hot ass prior to it anyway.
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Dalton is iffy but when he's on he's really good.

He's worse than Peyton in the post season though.
Weird comparison...

Honestly, I put guys like Dalton, Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Cutler in the same box - all sorts of upside, but not a whole lot of consistency really and more periods of blech than greatness.
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Honestly, I put guys like Dalton, Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Cutler in the same box - all sorts of upside, but not a whole lot of consistency really and more periods of blech than greatness.

Peyton, for all his regular season glamour, has had some shit ass postseasons. At times its looked like a completely different QB suits up in January. Dalton's been the same. That's the comparison I was making.
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I think there is a proven way. Getting good talent cheap and developing through the draft.

NE and Denver are good examples, but Seattle might be the best I've ever seen. All of ther best players were pro bowl caliber guys on rookie contracts when they won the SB.

That's insane.
SEA got really lucky there... that was lightning in a bottle. I think PIT and NE do a damn fine job of building through the draft, same with the Ravens.

Few teams have consistently done that though, so you have to mix in aggressive FA moves. That's what Denver did after the SEA loss.
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Peyton, for all his regular season glamour, has had some shit ass postseasons. At times its looked like a completely different QB suits up in January. Dalton's been the same. That's the comparison I was making.
I found it weird because Dalton hasn't won 'a' game... so he's worse than most every QB ever in the playoffs.
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I found it weird because Dalton hasn't won 'a' game... so he's worse than most every QB ever in the playoffs.

True enough. Tons of QBs have sucked in the playoffs, but not many have had such a good/great regular season track record turn to complete shit in the post season on several occasions like Peyton and Dalton.

I recognize that Peyton is a great QB so if you're white knighting him there's no need.
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True enough. Tons of QBs have sucked in the playoffs, but not many have had such a good/great regular season track record turn to complete shit in the post season on several occasions like Peyton and Dalton.

I recognize that Peyton is a great QB so if you're white knighting him there's no need.
Nope, wasn't even going to go there... stats are stats. Elway was a badass and he and his teams had 3 of the worst SB losses ever. Sh*t happens, sometimes it's not all the QB, just like in wins - it's not always because of what they did. But, that's the position that gets all the glory and all the blame.
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SEA got really lucky there... that was lightning in a bottle. I think PIT and NE do a damn fine job of building through the draft, same with the Ravens.

Few teams have consistently done that though, so you have to mix in aggressive FA moves. That's what Denver did after the SEA loss.
I thought they got lucky there as well, but then our GM took surplus guys that Schneider originally found in Ron Parker, Jaye Howard and Spencer Ware and they are very good players for us.

Schneider is the real deal. He even proved it last year again with Frank Clark, Thomas Rawls and Tyler Lockett.

It's no wonder GB was so good for so long. Schneider, Dorsey and McKenzie have done a good job since they left GB. All those guys in the same room as Ted Thompson just isn't fair.
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I thought they got lucky there as well, but then our GM took surplus guys that Schneider originally found in Ron Parker, Jaye Howard and Spencer Ware and they are very good players for us.

Schneider is the real deal. He even proved it last year again with Frank Clark, Thomas Rawls and Tyler Lockett.

It's no wonder GB was so good for so long. Schneider, Dorsey and McKenzie have done a good job since they left GB. All those guys in the same room as Ted Thompson just isn't fair.
And, that's the part that's incredibly underrated by fans and critics... it's not just gathering great players and spending big dollars, it's gathering the right great players.
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When he takes a smaller salary and allows the team to build around him. Chiefs are geniuses in this regard.
You mean by paying a QB on a rookie contract?
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