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Old 08-14-2016, 10:39 AM   #1
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It's a bit premature to be over-optimistic. But I think they'll be a good team.

Losing Houston plus potentially huge downgrades in the secondary could be rough. I think we forget how our defense got picked apart the first 4 games without Sean Smith. So that coupled with not having Houston scares the shit out of me.

So knowing our defense will likely take a step back, this team will need to be more balanced. To do that, we need to see Alex Smith the leader, which we saw more toward the end of the season. Not Alex Smith the game manager. I have a feeling we'll need to win a lot more games in the 20s and 30s than we're used to.
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Old 08-14-2016, 10:46 AM   #2
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It's a bit premature to be over-optimistic. But I think they'll be a good team.

Losing Houston plus potentially huge downgrades in the secondary could be rough. I think we forget how our defense got picked apart the first 4 games without Sean Smith. So that coupled with not having Houston scares the shit out of me.
Yeah...but KC's O-line was total garbage for the first 6 weeks...Smith was getting killed. Luckily KC dumped that trash on Denver...Stephenson, addition by subtraction.

That played a part in the GB/Bengals games too...

Peters was starting his first games in the NFL, Berry was coming back from cancer...Poe had back surgery and Gaines got hurt.
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Old 08-14-2016, 10:56 AM   #3
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Yeah...but KC's O-line was total garbage for the first 6 weeks...Smith was getting killed. Luckily KC dumped that trash on Denver...Stephenson, addition by subtraction.

That played a part in the GB/Bengals games too...

Peters was starting his first games in the NFL, Berry was coming back from cancer...Poe had back surgery and Gaines got hurt.
I think the offense has the chance to be a lot better. Alex was more of an attacker the second half of the season. So I'm optimistic. But we'll need much more offense / defense balance than we're used to and hopefully Alex is up to the task.
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Old 08-14-2016, 11:50 AM   #4
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Honestly , .... What scares me is; we have a lot of good players that have potential to be great and some of the players we are going to cut are going to be picked up by other teams and probably come back to haunt us! I just hope when they start slicing and dicing they keep the right ones!
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Old 08-14-2016, 10:51 AM   #5
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I think we forget how our defense got picked apart the first 4 games without Sean Smith.
Complete fallacy. First off, Smith only missed three games. The defense was weak against the Bengals and the Bears with Sean Smith.

The Texans and their two QB's did not "pick apart" the Chiefs defense.

Denver was down by 7 points with 40 seconds left, scoring only 17 to that point.

And Aaron Rodgers has been known to "pick apart" NFL defenses for nearly a decade.
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Old 08-14-2016, 11:12 AM   #6
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Complete fallacy. First off, Smith only missed three games. The defense was weak against the Bengals and the Bears with Sean Smith.

The Texans and their two QB's did not "pick apart" the Chiefs defense.

Denver was down by 7 points with 40 seconds left, scoring only 17 to that point.

And Aaron Rodgers has been known to "pick apart" NFL defenses for nearly a decade.
Th was a different team when Sean Smith and Peters lined up opposite each other. When Smith hit his stride, the defense wasn't just good, they were terrific. Scoring defense was excellent and they were exceptional at creating big turnovers. We've seen Sutton's D get flat out picked apart when a QB can consistently attack one CB. And that's with a healthy Houston / Hali.

I feel better this year than I did last without Sean Smith. I like Gaines if he can stay healthy and DJ White looked decent against Seattle. Even still, Hali is a year older, Houston is out, and who knows when Berry comes back. I don't think our D will collapse. But I think we'll need to win a lot more games in our 20s and 30s than we're used to. And I don't think we can depend on game-changing turnovers like we saw year 1 and year 3. The offense probably has to kick it up a notch.
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Old 08-14-2016, 11:56 AM   #7
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Th was a different team when Sean Smith and Peters lined up opposite each other. When Smith hit his stride, the defense wasn't just good, they were terrific. Scoring defense was excellent and they were exceptional at creating big turnovers. We've seen Sutton's D get flat out picked apart when a QB can consistently attack one CB. And that's with a healthy Houston / Hali.

I feel better this year than I did last without Sean Smith. I like Gaines if he can stay healthy and DJ White looked decent against Seattle. Even still, Hali is a year older, Houston is out, and who knows when Berry comes back. I don't think our D will collapse. But I think we'll need to win a lot more games in our 20s and 30s than we're used to. And I don't think we can depend on game-changing turnovers like we saw year 1 and year 3. The offense probably has to kick it up a notch.
Hali, while a year older, is fresh after getting all of TC off. And we do know when Berry will be back. Right before the season starts. He's not missing a game.
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Old 08-14-2016, 02:12 PM   #8
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Hali, while a year older, is fresh after getting all of TC off. .
Doesn't make a bit of difference. He'll be hobbling around by game 4. Hali is running on fumes.
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Old 08-15-2016, 03:25 PM   #9
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Doesn't make a bit of difference. He'll be hobbling around by game 4. Hali is running on fumes.
And on fumes he is still the best OLB we have when considering Houston has been rather unavailable as of late.

2017 draft is loaded with solid edge/pass rush players and the Chiefs will have a boatload of picks. Replenishing the position begins soon.
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Old 08-14-2016, 03:05 PM   #10
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Complete fallacy. First off, Smith only missed three games. The defense was weak against the Bengals and the Bears with Sean Smith.

The Texans and their two QB's did not "pick apart" the Chiefs defense.

Denver was down by 7 points with 40 seconds left, scoring only 17 to that point.

And Aaron Rodgers has been known to "pick apart" NFL defenses for nearly a decade.
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Old 08-14-2016, 12:20 PM   #11
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It's a bit premature to be over-optimistic.
What, you want to wait until February to be over-optimistic?

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Old 08-14-2016, 01:02 PM   #12
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What, you want to wait until February to be over-optimistic?

I'd rather be cautiously optimistic. I'd rather do that than be bipolar with a love/hate thing. I think this team could be very good. But realistically our defense has some big question marks and could take a step back, and I believe we'll rely on our offense much more than we did last year to win games for us. I think we could still do well holding the fort until Houston comes back. But I think we're really undermining how big a loss Houston and Sean Smith are to the defense, not to mention Abdullah.
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Old 08-14-2016, 01:23 PM   #13
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I'd rather be cautiously optimistic. I'd rather do that than be bipolar with a love/hate thing. I think this team could be very good. But realistically our defense has some big question marks and could take a step back, and I believe we'll rely on our offense much more than we did last year to win games for us. I think we could still do well holding the fort until Houston comes back. But I think we're really undermining how big a loss Houston and Sean Smith are to the defense, not to mention Abdullah.
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