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Old 08-18-2016, 07:52 AM  
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Barnwell on Derek Carr
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Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...


It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....


There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).
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Old 08-18-2016, 07:47 PM   #121
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Old 08-18-2016, 07:49 PM   #122
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Park the Carr. Truth is though KC would love to have a young QB like him.
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He won't make it through the season. He's a douche and Bob Dole doesn't tolerate douches for long.
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He won't make it through the season. He's a douche and Bob Dole doesn't tolerate douches for long.
as long as Dane is around here, CP will be swimming in douchewater
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Old 08-18-2016, 08:07 PM   #127
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Please keep it up. The sooner you are gone the better. It was nice to have you gone and it will be better the next time.
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Please keep it up. The sooner you are gone the better. It was nice to have you gone and it will be better the next time.
I'm not the problem. As clearly evidenced in the thread, others started talking about Alex Smith. I countered with opinions of my own, making no personal attacks, and others responded by acting immaturely.

Way to **** up the thread, guys. Your own faults.
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Old 08-18-2016, 08:16 PM   #129
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I'm not the problem. As clearly evidenced in the thread, others started talking about Alex Smith. I countered with opinions of my own, making no personal attacks, and others acted immaturely.
You are the epitome of immature. Always have been, always will. A tiger can't change his stripes. I'm guessing you are gone by week 4. Please provide me with a pleasant surprise and exceed expectations. Oh, and please stay gone this time. It's a much more pleasant place without you and your 24 some odd user names.
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Right now, for this season, this team, id hesitantly take Smith. I know hes not going to &@%$ it up, but I also know everything else has to go perfectly due to his passiveness as a medium to downfield passer.

Carr right now, this soon, could %$#@ it up, but long term Id take him easily over a caretaker type QB like Smith.

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We don't have an elite defense without Houston. We may not even have an elite d with him. If Smith doesn't have an elite d KC won't do much damage.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:08 PM   #132
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Park the Carr. Truth is though KC would love to have a young QB like him.
Nick Foles.

May not ever start for us, but he's certainly Derek Carr-like.
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Nick Foles.

May not ever start for us, but he's certainly Derek Carr-like.
Yup. Put Foles in that offense with that oline. Every QB would suck in LA with that offense
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You answered your own question. Nobody is denying Carr's potential, but you talk as if he's arrived, and he has not. There's not enough evidence to say he's going to be one of the best QB's in the NFL. That is exactly why I say he's overrated. I made the same mistake with Stafford, Ryan, Foles, etc. early in their careers, and I'm not making it again, especially not when I take the bad from last season into consideration. He has a ways to go, and anybody that disagrees is not looking at his 2015 season objectively.
Your "he hasn't proven it yet" excuse to slow the hype on Carr is hilariously hypocritical considering your opinion on every unproven Chiefs player.

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