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staylor26 · 08-24-2016, 11:58 AM

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Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere.

tooge · 08-24-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I can not

CAN.

NOT.

believe you all are siding with the Chargers over Bosa on this. The CHARGERS ARE BEING ASININE ABOUT THIS.

This is not Bosa's issue, this is Dean Spanos being an egotistical reerun. The Bosas are absolutely correct to not sign and bow to this ridiculous contract.

Really? The kid is a 22 YO college puke who hasn't done jack shit in life yet. He played college football at a high level. Yippee ****in doo. So have thousands and thousands of other guys that ended up not being able to do shit in the NFL. He's 22. Twenty ****ing two! He literally doesn't know shit about anything. Bitching over when he is going to get his 17 million guaranteed is ridiculous. It tells me he's not confident he will be around as a solid player after January 1. 17 million dollars. What a punk.

Kiimo · 08-24-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Yet to hear you specifically tell us why this a bad deal?

It was already stated by someone else.

ScareCrowe · 08-24-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

It was already stated by someone else.

Oh well that certainly clears it up, I definitely see your point now.

dls6501 · 08-24-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Really? The kid is a 22 YO college puke who hasn't done jack shit in life yet. He played college football at a high level. Yippee ****in doo. So have thousands and thousands of other guys that ended up not being able to do shit in the NFL. He's 22. Twenty ****ing two! He literally doesn't know shit about anything. Bitching over when he is going to get his 17 million guaranteed is ridiculous. It tells me he's not confident he will be around as a solid player after January 1. 17 million dollars. What a punk.

It amazes me that people like you STILL do not get it. Let me repeat myself....

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY OR WHEN HE IS GOING TO GET SAID MONEY....

It has 100% to do with the fact that the Chargers are asking Bosa to sign a contract which no player in his draft slot has signed since 2012, and they are unwilling to negotiate.

Why is this so difficult people? Jesus.

Kiimo · 08-24-2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

Oh well that certainly clears it up, I definitely see your point now.

Here I'll do the legwork for you.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

As far as I understand top draft picks get a choice between deferred language or the bonus up front.

Chargers continue to offer neither, so they can protect themselves.

The way it's being framed in the media, which obviously supports the NFL, is that Bosa is simply demanding his full bonus up front when he's essentially asking for the same thing every other player at his draft slot has received since 2012 and what 95% of draft picks in the top 3 rounds have received in the same span.

50% up front with offset language is a bad rookie deal for Bosa, and that's what had been offered. The new offer was basically the same thing with 60% up front.

The chargers, as usual, have been active in smearing Bosa and setting the narrative that he's just a greedy asshole. The truth is they're just squeezing pennies because their shit organization is broke.

Mr. Laz · 08-24-2016, 01:39 PM

Chargers Pull Best Contract Offer For Joey Bosa, Who Should Sign ASAP
by Nicholas Goss on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:32PM4,588

Joey Bosa needs to fire his agent and then immediately sign with the San Diego Chargers. The third overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft out of Ohio State is the only first-round pick to be unsigned as of Wednesday, and it appears as if that won’t change anytime soon.

Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere. — Michael Gehlken (@sdutGehlken) August 24, 2016

The contract scale for rookies under the current collective bargaining agreement gives both sides a fairly good idea of what the final figure will look like. The Chargers were even going to give him the most first-year money of any 2016 rookie except the No. 2 overall pick. #Chargers offer to Joey Bosa included the 2nd most Year 1 cash behind only Carson Wentz. Now, if he doesn’t play 16 games, it all changes — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 24, 2016

The Chargers released a statement Wednesday explaining this in more detail. Statement from the San Diego Chargers on defensive end Joey Bosa. pic.twitter.com/BayBGeN22x — San Diego Chargers (@Chargers) August 24, 2016

What happens if Bosa refuses to sign? Well, the Chargers cannot trade him right now because the deadline to trade his rights before the regular season has passed (it was Aug. 9). That means if there’s no deal, he just doesn’t play, and that’s an awful way to begin your career.

Missing games would be a bad look for Bosa on so many levels.

He’d be disrespecting his teammates (which he’s pretty much already doing right now), he’d be hurting his reputation around the league, the fans could begin to turn on him, and he’ll be behind when it comes to proving himself for a wealthy second contract.

By the way, Bosa has missed tons of valuable time with his coaches and in the film room during camp and the preseason. He’s not going to be prepared whenever he makes his debut, and it’s going to hurt his on-field performance.

This likely is a battle Bosa’s not going to win. He has no NFL pedigree, no Pro Bowl seasons or monster sack numbers to bolster his case. He’s just a defensive end who had a nice college career. Bosa must sign and do it soon. His entitled attitude is pathetic.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/08/chargers-pul...uld-sign-asap/

ScareCrowe · 08-24-2016, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

It amazes me that people like you STILL do not get it. Let me repeat myself....

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY OR WHEN HE IS GOING TO GET SAID MONEY....

It has 100% to do with the fact that the Chargers are asking Bosa to sign a contract which no player in his draft slot has signed since 2012, and they are unwilling to negotiate.

Why is this so difficult people? Jesus.

Probably because you're not explaining it very well. What aspect of his contract is different from other players in his draft slot since 2012? (which consists of all of 3 players by the way)

tooge · 08-24-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

It amazes me that people like you STILL do not get it. Let me repeat myself....

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY OR WHEN HE IS GOING TO GET SAID MONEY....

It has 100% to do with the fact that the Chargers are asking Bosa to sign a contract which no player in his draft slot has signed since 2012, and they are unwilling to negotiate.

Why is this so difficult people? Jesus.

Wrong. I get it. I also get that I busted my ass to get to where I am. I get that I had to work my way up in life. He's a ****ing rookie and hasn't done piss. I can't believe all the other teams DON"T do what the chargers are doing. FFS, give me 17 million guaranteed when I'm 22yo, and I'll be set for life, as will my children and grandchildren. When is enough enough?

tooge · 08-24-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Chargers Pull Best Contract Offer For Joey Bosa, Who Should Sign ASAP
by Nicholas Goss on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:32PM4,588

Joey Bosa needs to fire his agent and then immediately sign with the San Diego Chargers. The third overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft out of Ohio State is the only first-round pick to be unsigned as of Wednesday, and it appears as if that won’t change anytime soon.

Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere. — Michael Gehlken (@sdutGehlken) August 24, 2016

The contract scale for rookies under the current collective bargaining agreement gives both sides a fairly good idea of what the final figure will look like. The Chargers were even going to give him the most first-year money of any 2016 rookie except the No. 2 overall pick. #Chargers offer to Joey Bosa included the 2nd most Year 1 cash behind only Carson Wentz. Now, if he doesn’t play 16 games, it all changes — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 24, 2016

The Chargers released a statement Wednesday explaining this in more detail. Statement from the San Diego Chargers on defensive end Joey Bosa. pic.twitter.com/BayBGeN22x — San Diego Chargers (@Chargers) August 24, 2016

What happens if Bosa refuses to sign? Well, the Chargers cannot trade him right now because the deadline to trade his rights before the regular season has passed (it was Aug. 9). That means if there’s no deal, he just doesn’t play, and that’s an awful way to begin your career.

Missing games would be a bad look for Bosa on so many levels.

He’d be disrespecting his teammates (which he’s pretty much already doing right now), he’d be hurting his reputation around the league, the fans could begin to turn on him, and he’ll be behind when it comes to proving himself for a wealthy second contract.

By the way, Bosa has missed tons of valuable time with his coaches and in the film room during camp and the preseason. He’s not going to be prepared whenever he makes his debut, and it’s going to hurt his on-field performance.

This likely is a battle Bosa’s not going to win. He has no NFL pedigree, no Pro Bowl seasons or monster sack numbers to bolster his case. He’s just a defensive end who had a nice college career. Bosa must sign and do it soon. His entitled attitude is pathetic.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/08/chargers-pul...uld-sign-asap/

This. Couldn't have stated the lst paragraph better. This is my feeling exactly.

dls6501 · 08-24-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Wrong. I get it. I also get that I busted my ass to get to where I am. I get that I had to work my way up in life. He's a ****ing rookie and hasn't done piss. I can't believe all the other teams DON"T do what the chargers are doing. FFS, give me 17 million guaranteed when I'm 22yo, and I'll be set for life, as will my children and grandchildren. When is enough enough?

Are you insinuating that you didnt bust your ass to even be in the position you are in now? Because basically you are saying that all the work Bosa has done PRIOR to being drafted is nothing. Which, in your example, means that working your ass of in school, college, getting internships, etc. mean "you havent done piss."

**the Talking Can** · 08-24-2016, 01:45 PM

i think everyone understands that the chargers are assholes

the issue is why is Bosa deciding to be a martyr about it?

he can sign a flawed contract and still get his money...or not sign, and be a martyr for a cause that no one asked him to fight for

Kiimo · 08-24-2016, 01:46 PM

If anyone doesn't understand, please read this article, free from the long arm of the NFL propaganda machine.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ntract-dispute

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That's why Bosa should point the finger of blame at his fellow players as well as at Chargers management. On multiple occasions the NFL Players Association has "strongly discouraged" agents from agreeing to contracts that include offset language, particularly in rookie deals, but each year the number of deals featuring that (and deferred money) increases.

At the root of this thread is another whole subconscious issue.

I don't get people siding with management over "spoiled rich" athletes. It's like you compare yourself and your own work ethic and your own salary with an athlete's and it makes you mad because he should be happy to get all that money for playing a game, right?

But what you really should be comparing yourself with is a billionaire owner who has screwed over countless people on his rise to the top penny pinching contracts and BS language to rob people magnitudes poorer than themselves in order to save a drop in the bucket of their fortunes.

DJ's left nut · 08-24-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

It has 100% to do with the fact that the Chargers are asking Bosa to sign a contract which no player in his draft slot has signed since 2012, and they are unwilling to negotiate.

That's not accurate. It appears that the Chargers have increased their up front money substantially.

No, they've been unwilling to come off their offset language demands but that's team policy that they're unwilling to break for a rookie (in no small part because of the problem it would create with present roster players or potential future FAs).

I've not seen any indications that Bosa's come off his initial demands.

Now if you want to argue that he shouldn't come off his demands, that's one thing. But to argue that he's been willing to negotiate and the Chargers haven't is not supported by what we presently know.

dls6501 · 08-24-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

Probably because you're not explaining it very well. What aspect of his contract is different from other players in his draft slot since 2012? (which consists of all of 3 players by the way)

The Bosa camp is arguing that since the slotting system, which assigns the length, total value and bonus money in rookie deals based on where the player is drafted was instituted, the precedent has been repeatedly set for top five picks to receive either no offset or no deferment.

Since the slotting system went into effect in 2012 (five drafts), every third overall pick has signed a contract in which either the offset was removed or their signing bonus was paid in full by the end of their rookie season, as Bosa is requesting.

16 of the 20 top five picks from 2012-2015 either received their bonus by the end of their rookie season or had the offset language removed from their deal.

Three of the top five picks, and five of the top seven picks to have signed this year, either have no offset language or will receive their bonus before the end of the 2016 season.

Both Jared Goff and Jalen Ramsey signed deals which guaranteed them their signing bonus before the end of the 2016 season AND removed the offset language.

While it may not be the "Chargers way" to negotiate the offset language or the timing of the signing bonus, it is how the league conducts its business with its top five picks. This really makes how they go about their business irrelevant and makes them look petty. Joey's camp has reportedly been very upfront about their willingness to compromise on these points by settling for one or the other. And they have communicated this stance since May. They aren't holding out for both.

dls6501 · 08-24-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's not accurate. It appears that the Chargers have increased their up front money substantially.

No, they've been unwilling to come off their offset language demands but that's team policy that they're unwilling to break for a rookie (in no small part because of the problem it would create with present roster players or potential future FAs).

I've not seen any indications that Bosa's come off his initial demands.

Now if you want to argue that he shouldn't come off his demands, that's one thing. But to argue that he's been willing to negotiate and the Chargers haven't is not supported by what we presently know.

Bosa's camp has said that they are willing to compromise for one or the other. The Chargers want to give neither.

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