It's going to be kind of shitty when the Raiders have a better stadium than us

[Hammock Parties]

Damn son

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by splatbass

I would rather watch the Chiefs in Las Vegas than in Oakland, because I think there would be less chance of getting killed by their scumbag fans.

Agreed.

That said, the opposing crowd will be the biggest factor against the Raiders in Vegas, as it's a transient town and close enough to other cities like LA, Phoenix, SF and San Diego in which to drive.

The fact that it's in Vegas will make it much more appealing to fans of the other 31 teams to turn it into a party weekend.

In the end, even though the Raiders will be playing in a state-of-the-art, amazing stadium, it probably hurts them more than helps them.

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Bullshit! Arrowhead is a rowdy old school football heaven on earth paradise for those that want to get loud and kick ass! Every fan has piss on their hands and smell like beer and beef. It's not a place for the whine and cheese taster crowds that places like in those pictures draw. That place is made for wussies!

Nothing is better than Arrowhead! Nothing!

Uhh, WOW! Arrowhead has to be the lowest-class stadium in the league thanks to rednecks like you! You shouldn't be allowed to vote, let alone go to American football games!

I ADORE the idea of a boy's weekend out to Vegas to watch our Chiefies play at a stadium like this...artisanal vegan pork logs and chamomile hibiscus mimosas for all! Yummers!

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Agreed.

That said, the opposing crowd will be the biggest factor against the Raiders in Vegas, as it's a transient town and close enough to other cities like LA, Phoenix, SF and San Diego in which to drive.

The fact that it's in Vegas will make it much more appealing to fans of the other 31 teams to turn it into a party weekend.

In the end, even though the Raiders will be playing in a state-of-the-art, amazing stadium, it probably hurts them more than helps them.

Yup. Another reason it would be good for the Chiefs, especially if they get more KC fans for the away game against the Raiders.

Everybody wins (including the Raiders' owner with a full stadium) except the Raiders on the field (and they're used to that).

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

Uhh, WOW! Arrowhead has to be the lowest-class stadium in the league thanks to rednecks like you! You shouldn't be allowed to vote, let alone go to American football games!

I ADORE the idea of a boy's weekend out to Vegas to watch our Chiefies play at a stadium like this...artisanal vegan pork logs and chamomile hibiscus mimosas for all! Yummers!

I am not a redneck and go **** yourself if you want to watch football in some artsy fartsy bullshit new stadium. I rather be at Arrowhead. Its loud and for tough guys and gives us pride and and advantage. Ask Dallas if their new fancy rich boy stadium has done the same for them. They have no advantage and lose their all the time because the crowd is the rich people that only go because it's a social event and they think is cool. **** new stadiums. Remodel and upgrade the old ones. I don't see GB tearing down Lambeau any time soon.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

I am not a redneck and go **** yourself if you want to watch football in some artsy fartsy bullshit new stadium. I rather be at Arrowhead. Its loud and for tough guys and gives us pride and and advantage. Ask Dallas if their new fancy rich boy stadium has done the same for them. They have no advantage and lose their all the time because the crowd is the rich people that only go because it's a social event and they think is cool. **** new stadiums. Remodel and upgrade the old ones. I don't see GB tearing down Lambeau any time soon.

I think he was agreeing with you.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Agreed.

That said, the opposing crowd will be the biggest factor against the Raiders in Vegas, as it's a transient town and close enough to other cities like LA, Phoenix, SF and San Diego in which to drive.

The fact that it's in Vegas will make it much more appealing to fans of the other 31 teams to turn it into a party weekend.

In the end, even though the Raiders will be playing in a state-of-the-art, amazing stadium, it probably hurts them more than helps them.

I agree, although historically in both LA and Oakland they have had trouble filling their stadium. They use tarps to cover entire sections of seats so they don't have to count them. If they fill the stadium in Vegas they may not care if it is fans filling it or tourists as long as it is full.

[TEX]

It looks gay.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by splatbass

I agree, although historically in both LA and Oakland they have had trouble filling their stadium. They use tarps to cover entire sections of seats so they don't have to count them. If they fill the stadium in Vegas they may not care if it is fans filling it or tourists as long as it is full.

Well, this is actually not exactly true.

While the Raiders certainly covered a minimum of 30,000 seats while playing at the Coliseum, that particulart stadium holds more than 100,000 people. So without covering the seats, there was no way to ensure that the Blackout Rule was lifted.

Unfortunately for the Raiders, the same thing has been applied since their return to Oakland.

When the Rams played in the Coliseum, they sold out for decades and they're sold out this year (and likely for the foreseeable future). Anaheim is a completely different city and county and most die hard LA Rams fans didn't want to spend their Sundays in 6 hours of traffic. I've had it take 2.5-3 hours just to get to Disneyland on the weekends when during the week, it's only about a 30 minute drive.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by TEX

It looks gay.

Like the pirate on their helmet?

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, this is actually not exactly true.

While the Raiders certainly covered a minimum of 30,000 seats while playing at the Coliseum, that particulart stadium holds more than 100,000 people. So without covering the seats, there was no way to ensure that the Blackout Rule was lifted.

Unfortunately for the Raiders, the same thing has been applied since their return to Oakland.

When the Rams played in the Coliseum, they sold out for decades and they're sold out this year (and likely for the foreseeable future). Anaheim is a completely different city and county and most die hard LA Rams fans didn't want to spend their Sundays in 6 hours of traffic. I've had it take 2.5-3 hours just to get to Disneyland on the weekends when during the week, it's only about a 30 minute drive.

They still cover seats in Oakland.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by splatbass

They still cover seats in Oakland.

Yep

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

While the Raiders certainly covered a minimum of 30,000 seats while playing at the Coliseum, that particular stadium holds more than 100,000 people. So without covering the seats, there was no way to ensure that the Blackout Rule was lifted.

Unfortunately for the Raiders, the same thing has been applied since their return to Oakland.

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

I think he was agreeing with you.

More of a neutral party, really...I just thought the seriousness of his macho shit was funny and wanted to see if I could get a rise out of him (I succeeded, I think).

I do like modernized stadiums - different sport, obviously, but Target Field up here in Minneapolis is awesome. Tons of different food and drink options, and the stadium is really well-designed and clean. Most importantly, though, there's not a bad seat in the house. Great for diehards (the few that exist) and casual fans alike.

It's been a while since I've been able to go to Arrowhead and I don't think there's any reason to make a "new" stadium, but I imagine that if for whatever reason one were built, they could keep (or even enhance) a lot of the things that make Arrowhead great (crowd noise and involvement, tailgating, etc) while also improving the amenities and polish of the place.

I'm not a Vikings fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm going to try and attend a game at their new stadium this year to see what they managed to do with the place. The concept drawings I saw back in the day impressed me, so hopefully they managed to turn some of those good elements into reality.

[Red Dawg]

Does anyone want Arrowhead torn down and rebuilt into a new fancy monstrosity?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

More of a neutral party, really...I just thought the seriousness of his macho shit was funny and wanted to see if I could get a rise out of him (I succeeded, I think).

I do like modernized stadiums - different sport, obviously, but Target Field up here in Minneapolis is awesome. Tons of different food and drink options, and the stadium is really well-designed and clean. Most importantly, though, there's not a bad seat in the house. Great for diehards (the few that exist) and casual fans alike.

It's been a while since I've been able to go to Arrowhead and I don't think there's any reason to make a "new" stadium, but I imagine that if for whatever reason one were built, they could keep (or even enhance) a lot of the things that make Arrowhead great (crowd noise and involvement, tailgating, etc) while also improving the amenities and polish of the place.

I'm not a Vikings fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm going to try and attend a game at their new stadium this year to see what they managed to do with the place. The concept drawings I saw back in the day impressed me, so hopefully they managed to turn some of those good elements into reality.

Having been to the Arrowhead remodel myself, I believe they did a great job of getting things up to spec while keeping the feel of the old house.

I hear tell the parking still sucks balls, though.

[TribalElder]

Didn't read the thread

Watching the raiders play on that pathetic field is just sad

It's half a baseball field and half a full port o potty. I hope they do get a new field and stadium just so our team doesn't have to play in that shithole of a stadium every year