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Chief Roundup · 07-25-2016, 12:22 PM

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Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon has been reinstated on a conditional basis from his indefinite suspension for multiple drug violations.

The NFL announced Gordon's reinstatement Monday, saying that he will be suspended for the first four games of the regular season.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wrote a letter to Gordon on Monday, saying he has "every belief that [Gordon] will make the right choices."

"As we discussed at our [July 19] meeting, as Commissioner, I want nothing more than to see you turn your circumstances around and succeed," Goodell wrote to Gordon. "Countless others including your agent, teammates and coaches, Mr. Haslam and the leadership of the organization, the Program professionals and Jim Brown also have pledged to provide you with every resource at their disposal. But as you acknowledged, ultimately, your future is your responsibility. I have every belief that you can make the right choices, but it will be up to you to do so."

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-30-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's been to rehab. Apparently, he has anxiety and self-confidence issues, which lead to marijuana use.

I don't think the guy is "partying" so much as he has Social Anxiety Disorder among other issues.

That's a mother****er to deal with in life. Particularly with his stature. Imagine everyone wanting to talk to you and you being scared to death to talk to them.

ScareCrowe · 09-30-2016, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Wait. Is he entering rehab for weed? Weed?!

LOL, first thing I thought of when I heard about this.

"You in here for some marijuana?!?!"

"I sucked dick for coke, you ever suck dick for marijuana?"

"ummm no"

"boo this man!!"

Marcellus · 09-30-2016, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's been to rehab. Apparently, he has anxiety and self-confidence issues, which lead to marijuana use.

I don't think the guy is "partying" so much as he has Social Anxiety Disorder among other issues.

Whatever his root cause issues are, he has had plenty of time to deal with it prior to now when he was about to get reinstated and actually play again.

I know your opinion on pot and I personally think the fear of it is overrated.

That being said I believe just like some people can drink and not be an alcoholic and some people cant, some people cant recreationaly smoke weed. They have an addiction issue.

This is obviously the case here IMO.

eDave · 09-30-2016, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Whatever his root cause issues are, he has had plenty of time to deal with it prior to now when he was about to get reinstated and actually play again.

I know your opinion on pot and I personally think the fear of it is overrated.

That being said I believe just like some people can drink and not be an alcoholic and some people cant, some people cant recreationaly smoke weed. They have an addiction issue.

This is obviously the case here IMO.

Who said it's an addiction to pot? He simple can't smoke pot and play in the NFL. Which is sad if pot helps him. And I know it does.

Your first line is pretty insensitive.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-30-2016, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Whatever his root cause issues are, he has had plenty of time to deal with it prior to now when he was about to get reinstated and actually play again.

Plenty of time? This is nothing new for him. He's been to rehab, he's been suspended yet he can't stop smoking weed. It's not because he's partying, he's self medicating.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

That being said I believe just like some people can drink and not be an alcoholic and some people cant, some people cant recreationaly smoke weed. They have an addiction issue.

This is obviously the case here IMO.

I completely disagree. This isn't a "party" issue, this is a deep psychological issue. Ricky Williams dealt with Social Anxiety Disorder and smoked, too.

Personally, if weed does it for him, good! Who in the ****ing world wants to be on Lithium, opiates, Xanax, et al, every single day of their life?

Couch-Potato · 09-30-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Plenty of time? This is nothing new for him. He's been to rehab, he's been suspended yet he can't stop smoking weed. It's not because he's partying, he's self medicating.

I completely disagree. This isn't a "party" issue, this is a deep psychological issue. Ricky Williams dealt with Social Anxiety Disorder and smoked, too.

Personally, if weed does it for him, good! Who in the ****ing world wants to be on Lithium, opiates, Xanax, et al, every single day of their life?

100% agree. Young man is an incredible football talent, his employer needs to stay out of his personal medicinal choices and let him play football. I would love to see him sue the league over all of this.

Marcellus · 09-30-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Plenty of time? This is nothing new for him. He's been to rehab, he's been suspended yet he can't stop smoking weed. It's not because he's partying, he's self medicating.

I completely disagree. This isn't a "party" issue, this is a deep psychological issue. Ricky Williams dealt with Social Anxiety Disorder and smoked, too.

Personally, if weed does it for him, good! Who in the ****ing world wants to be on Lithium, opiates, Xanax, et al, every single day of their life?

Even if his addiction is caused by some other ongoing mental problem, dude is still an addict.

To think anything otherwise is nonsense.

He was suspended in college for failed drug tests.

He has exactly 1 season out of 5 in the NFL now where he hasn't failed a drug test.

This is the textbook definition of addiction.

I know it goes against your whole "there is absolutely nothing wrong with weed" personal theory but it is what it is.

Marcellus · 09-30-2016, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

100% agree. Young man is an incredible football talent, his employer needs to stay out of his personal medicinal choices and let him play football. I would love to see him sue the league over all of this.

Couch-Potato huh? Interesting user name, its almost like its not obvious you are a pot head.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-30-2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Even if his addiction is caused by some other ongoing mental problem, dude is still an addict.

To think anything otherwise is nonsense.

He was suspended in college for failed drug tests.

He has exactly 1 season out of 5 in the NFL now where he hasn't failed a drug test.

This is the textbook definition of addiction.

I know it goes against your whole "there is absolutely nothing wrong with weed" personal theory but it is what it is.

Yeah, he'd be so much better off if he was on Adderall or Xanax.

eDave · 09-30-2016, 12:46 PM

Booze is perfectly fine. Start some bar fights. Shoot yourself in the leg. Beat your girl, ad nauseum.

Dude just wants to feel better. **** him, right? If the NFL cares like they say, let the man play. It's weed, FFS.

Let them all smoke. Less injuries that way anyway. Von Miller should roll a fattie before a game. He'll be less of a douche on the field.

Marcellus · 09-30-2016, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, he'd be so much better off if he was on Adderall or Xanax.

Did you get some type of clinical diagnosis that nobody else is aware of or are you just making assumptions based on your own opinion?

Marcellus · 09-30-2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

Booze is perfectly fine. Start some bar fights. Shoot yourself in the leg. Beat your girl, ad nauseum.

Dude just wants to feel better. **** him, right? If the NFL cares like they say, let the man play. It's weed, FFS.

Let them all smoke. Less injuries that way anyway. Von Miller should roll a fattie before a game. He'll be less of a douche on the field.

Based on what? Is it all the football hits he has taken being suspended for most of his career?

You guys are picking a hilarious hill to die on but again you are both smokers so its obvious the motivation.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-30-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You guys are picking a hilarious hill to die on but again you are both smokers so its obvious the motivation.

I'm not a "smoker".

Amnorix · 09-30-2016, 01:02 PM

He obviously is an addict. Regardless of why he is addicted, the very definition of "addiction" is to continue behavior which is inherently self-destructive, and you know it's self-destructive. His use of marijuana is self-destructive in that it is ruining his NFL career.

All that said, the NFL should seriously revisit its marijuana policy. There is no real, legitimate, reason that it should be on the banned substances list any more than alcohol. If someone abuses it and it causes issues, then he can be dealt with by the gentle, loving, tolerant personnel conduct policies of Kommissar Goodell. Otherwise, WTF cares. Public perception on the issue has chagned, as has the law in many states, to recognize that marijuana is not in remotely the same class of drug as cocaine or heroin.

lcarus · 09-30-2016, 01:09 PM

I don't know how many times I've said this, but weed is only possibly mentally addictive. That's it. And from a league that feeds buckets of painkillers that are terribly addictive to its players, the anti-marijuana stance is absurd.

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Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $-1518373	Josh Gordon reiinstated conditionally http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17...B&sf31712346=1 Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon has been reinstated on a conditional basis from his indefinite suspension for multiple drug violations. The NFL announced Gordon's reinstatement Monday, saying that he will be suspended for the first four games of the regular season. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wrote a letter to Gordon on Monday, saying he has "every belief that [Gordon] will make the right choices." "As we discussed at our [July 19] meeting, as Commissioner, I want nothing more than to see you turn your circumstances around and succeed," Goodell wrote to Gordon. "Countless others including your agent, teammates and coaches, Mr. Haslam and the leadership of the organization, the Program professionals and Jim Brown also have pledged to provide you with every resource at their disposal. But as you acknowledged, ultimately, your future is your responsibility. I have every belief that you can make the right choices, but it will be up to you to do so."
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eDave Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $9998560	Booze is perfectly fine. Start some bar fights. Shoot yourself in the leg. Beat your girl, ad nauseum. Dude just wants to feel better. **** him, right? If the NFL cares like they say, let the man play. It's weed, FFS. Let them all smoke. Less injuries that way anyway. Von Miller should roll a fattie before a game. He'll be less of a douche on the field.
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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	He obviously is an addict. Regardless of why he is addicted, the very definition of "addiction" is to continue behavior which is inherently self-destructive, and you know it's self-destructive. His use of marijuana is self-destructive in that it is ruining his NFL career. All that said, the NFL should seriously revisit its marijuana policy. There is no real, legitimate, reason that it should be on the banned substances list any more than alcohol. If someone abuses it and it causes issues, then he can be dealt with by the gentle, loving, tolerant personnel conduct policies of Kommissar Goodell. Otherwise, WTF cares. Public perception on the issue has chagned, as has the law in many states, to recognize that marijuana is not in remotely the same class of drug as cocaine or heroin. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $-1879887	I don't know how many times I've said this, but weed is only possibly mentally addictive. That's it. And from a league that feeds buckets of painkillers that are terribly addictive to its players, the anti-marijuana stance is absurd.
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