****OFFICIAL Walterfootball.com Mock Draft Thread**** - Page 2

**The Franchise** · 10-14-2016, 10:55 AM

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17. Charles Harris, DE/OLB, Missouri

The Chiefs currently aren't getting any pressure on the quarterback. That's obviously because Justin Houston is out, but Dee Ford, starting in his place, has done nothing. Tamba Hali doesn't have much longer remaining as a pro, so the Chiefs will need to find a suitable replacement for him.

49. Anthony Walker, ILB, Northwestern

The Chiefs could spend a second-day selection on an inside linebacker, given that Derrick Johnson is nearing retirement.

Mother****erJones · 10-21-2016, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And the new D in Missouri isn't doing Harris any favors. The scheme is much more read and react and he seems constantly caught in between.

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about him, but if he's available in the late 1st it will be because this defensive scheme has neutered him. After last season, he looked like a probable top 10 pick based on his growth in his first 2 years. He's just completely stalled out.

Good let him slide like a Dadi Nicholas from Va Tech this year. Dadi got crushed in draft stock from his last year in VT.

Saccopoo · 10-21-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

It would be hard to imagine once Berry becomes a FA and Gaines proven he can't stay on the field that the Chiefs don't go secondary round 1.

It's an interesting safety class.

And they obviously need another starter level corner. I think that Nelson has actually played okay so far this season, but he's not an NFL edge/island type of guy. Nickle dude. They need a guy who can really defend the pass. As I stated in my mock, I really like Cameron Sutton of Tennessee. Is a beast on LOS support and can really defend the ball on the edge. Excellent corner and is basically the opposite of how Peters plays the ball. Should be an excellent match.

They also need to look at some safeties depending on how the Berry contract negotations go. I'm not a Parker fan and I didn't like his game against the Raiders. I think that they need a higher level guy back there. Sorensen has played pretty good so far this season, but they seem to like using him as the linebacker/up safety in the nickle package versus a true safety, and he's done well in that role.

Sutton obviously likes using CB's in the free safety role, but they may need a guy whose a little more robust than the converted CBs that they've been using. (Although, Cameron Sutton would be excellent i that role as he's superb in attacking the line of scrimmage.)

The player that's looking like a late round steal is KCCROW's guy Kai Nacua, a senior from BYU. He's having a monster season and is a real tough guy at the FS position. A rangy ball hawk who's also a beast coming up on ball carrier at the LOS. Excellent instincts.

Saccopoo · 10-21-2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Good let him slide like a Dadi Nicholas from Va Tech this year. Dadi got crushed in draft stock from his last year in VT.

I was thinking the same thing. Nicholas was hamstringed his final year in college by having to play with his hand in the dirt all the time after a stellar 2014 season. However, I personally think that Nicholas would be better utilized on the inside versus a NFL level edge pass rusher. I don't think he's got the strength to be effective against NFL tackles. The way Sutton uses his ILB's, Nicholas would seem to have more traits at that position in Sutton's defense than on the edge.

However, Charles Harris does have very good functional strength off the edge as well as that very good first step. He's getting neutered this season by the MU defensive system, but he's got all the hallmarks of a top flight 34 OLB.

I also like TCU's Josh Carraway. While it's not saying much, he impressed the shit out of me playing against Kansas this season. He was tenacious and really found the ball well playing off the edge. Good size, length and burst to make the transition from college DE to 34 OOB at the next level.

I think that they need to get at least two guys for that position out of this next draft. They keep dangling Moses between released/practice squad/active, Hali has got to be pretty close to legitimately considering retirement, Houston's injury is still a question mark, Ford has yet to turn the corner to be considered a consistent and effective starter and Zombo doesn't have the speed to be a true threat off the edge. Hard worker with good instincts, but doesn't have the strength and speed to be a true difference maker on a regular basis.

They need two dudes who can potentially threaten to break into the starting rotation as a rookie.

Really wish that they drafted Kyler Fackrell versus Kevarae Russell this past draft.

kccrow · 10-21-2016, 04:40 PM

Starting to think a couple of my early targets are going to slide up quite a bit by the time real drafturbation starts... I recently saw Tankersley in the late 20's in a 1st round mock, and Nacua's last 2 seasons make him look like a 1st or 2nd round pick, so long as he runs in the 4.5s. At this point, I can't see Nacua making it past the 4th.

kccrow · 10-21-2016, 04:42 PM

BTW, I really, really like Anthony Walker... BUT... He's a bit undersized. He is a DJ replacement, not a compliment. I don't know what the Chiefs nor DJ plan after this season, so I'm reserving judgement on him being a viable target.

**SAUTO** · 10-22-2016, 11:19 AM

What happens cap wise if hali retires?

kccrow · 10-22-2016, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

What happens cap wise if hali retires?

Chiefs Cap -$333,334 according to OTC...

http://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531/

Mother****erJones · 10-24-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I was thinking the same thing. Nicholas was hamstringed his final year in college by having to play with his hand in the dirt all the time after a stellar 2014 season. However, I personally think that Nicholas would be better utilized on the inside versus a NFL level edge pass rusher. I don't think he's got the strength to be effective against NFL tackles. The way Sutton uses his ILB's, Nicholas would seem to have more traits at that position in Sutton's defense than on the edge.

However, Charles Harris does have very good functional strength off the edge as well as that very good first step. He's getting neutered this season by the MU defensive system, but he's got all the hallmarks of a top flight 34 OLB.

I also like TCU's Josh Carraway. While it's not saying much, he impressed the shit out of me playing against Kansas this season. He was tenacious and really found the ball well playing off the edge. Good size, length and burst to make the transition from college DE to 34 OOB at the next level.

I think that they need to get at least two guys for that position out of this next draft. They keep dangling Moses between released/practice squad/active, Hali has got to be pretty close to legitimately considering retirement, Houston's injury is still a question mark, Ford has yet to turn the corner to be considered a consistent and effective starter and Zombo doesn't have the speed to be a true threat off the edge. Hard worker with good instincts, but doesn't have the strength and speed to be a true difference maker on a regular basis.

They need two dudes who can potentially threaten to break into the starting rotation as a rookie.

Really wish that they drafted Kyler Fackrell versus Kevarae Russell this past draft.

Lets see how he finishes the season and bulks up over the course of the off-season. He's played minimal snaps but I want more because of the ineffectiveness of Hali and Zombo. He had a nice rush in the Oakland game and pressured Carr. Dadi is just a natural at getting to the QB. So my vision is using him as a rotationally pass rusher if he doesn't get bigger and is a liability. Houston on one side and rotate Dadi with Ford and another draft pick.

I would like to see us seriously look at QBs the next two years and take one high.

First rounder needs to be an impact player. I don't care what it is. Corner, safety, wideout or pass rusher. This team is third youngest team, so Dorsey and co. will continue to add in talent. Pass rusher is my key need for the off-season.

BryanBusby · 10-24-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Chiefs Cap -$333,334 according to OTC...

http://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531/

That's if he's cut.

They would gain back the rest of the unearned prorated bonus, which would be $3,166,666 (heh) and any figures he had left to make. His roster/workout bonuses would be classfied as LTBE, so there's another 1.25 mil and from there they would also get a credit for his 5.7 mil base.

They would be getting around a 10 million boost in cap space. He forfeits any guaranteed money left or bonus money he hadn't earned yet if he were to retire.

This was a pretty shitty contract made by Dorsey.

kcchiefsus · 10-24-2016, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Lets see how he finishes the season and bulks up over the course of the off-season. He's played minimal snaps but I want more because of the ineffectiveness of Hali and Zombo. He had a nice rush in the Oakland game and pressured Carr. Dadi is just a natural at getting to the QB. So my vision is using him as a rotationally pass rusher if he doesn't get bigger and is a liability. Houston on one side and rotate Dadi with Ford and another draft pick.

I would like to see us seriously look at QBs the next two years and take one high.

First rounder needs to be an impact player. I don't care what it is. Corner, safety, wideout or pass rusher. This team is third youngest team, so Dorsey and co. will continue to add in talent. Pass rusher is my key need for the off-season.

We all know that will never happen. It's either Foles or some other castoff after Smith.

BryanBusby · 10-24-2016, 10:43 PM

I don't see the Chiefs ever have a shot at a high range QB, unless they ride the Alex train until the wheels have clearly fallen off.

Andy will start mixing in FA gambles and Day 2 dice rolls until he lands a hit whenever he feels it's time to start seriously looking.

kcchiefsus · 10-25-2016, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I don't see the Chiefs ever have a shot at a high range QB, unless they ride the Alex train until the wheels have clearly fallen off.

Andy will start mixing in FA gambles and Day 2 dice rolls until he lands a hit whenever he feels it's time to start seriously looking.

I don't expect he'll ever get a real hit, he'll finally be fired before he ever lucks into a legitimate quarterback.

BryanBusby · 10-25-2016, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

I don't expect he'll ever get a real hit, he'll finally be fired before he ever lucks into a legitimate quarterback.

Two brokedicks in the 5th round and a UDFA pick up doesn't tell us much so far. You could be right.

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

That's if he's cut.

They would gain back the rest of the unearned prorated bonus, which would be $3,166,666 (heh) and any figures he had left to make. His roster/workout bonuses would be classfied as LTBE, so there's another 1.25 mil and from there they would also get a credit for his 5.7 mil base.

They would be getting around a 10 million boost in cap space. He forfeits any guaranteed money left or bonus money he hadn't earned yet if he were to retire.

This was a pretty shitty contract made by Dorsey.

He only forfeits the signing bonus money if the Chiefs actually recover it. Remember, he gets the Bonus the day he signs.

There is an exactly zero percent chance the Chiefs go after that money. He'll keep that and the Chiefs will carry the cap hit.

Yeah, it wasn't a good deal but I think the news had gotten out in team circles about Houston's knee and Hali's agent had Dorsey over a barrel.

BryanBusby · 10-25-2016, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He only forfeits the signing bonus money if the Chiefs actually recover it. Remember, he gets the Bonus the day he signs.

There is an exactly zero percent chance the Chiefs go after that money. He'll keep that and the Chiefs will carry the cap hit.

Yeah, it wasn't a good deal but I think the news had gotten out in team circles about Houston's knee and Hali's agent had Dorsey over a barrel.

That's assuming Hali wouldn't voluntarily repay it.

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10-21-2016, 04:40 PM	#19
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1080000	Starting to think a couple of my early targets are going to slide up quite a bit by the time real drafturbation starts... I recently saw Tankersley in the late 20's in a 1st round mock, and Nacua's last 2 seasons make him look like a 1st or 2nd round pick, so long as he runs in the 4.5s. At this point, I can't see Nacua making it past the 4th.
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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1080000	BTW, I really, really like Anthony Walker... BUT... He's a bit undersized. He is a DJ replacement, not a compliment. I don't know what the Chiefs nor DJ plan after this season, so I'm reserving judgement on him being a viable target.
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3169900 VARSITY	I don't see the Chiefs ever have a shot at a high range QB, unless they ride the Alex train until the wheels have clearly fallen off. Andy will start mixing in FA gambles and Day 2 dice rolls until he lands a hit whenever he feels it's time to start seriously looking.
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