Chiefs Why are Maclin and Kelce not producing? - Page 4

Deberg_1990 · 10-25-2016, 07:37 PM

They both appear to be having down years so far. What gives?

Disgust.....

**wazu** · 10-25-2016, 10:55 PM

Remember 2014 when Alex went an entire season without throwing a TD to a WR?

nychief · 10-25-2016, 11:09 PM

It's still early...but maclin has lost some separation and I have no idea why they aren't throwing to Kelce 10 times a game.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-26-2016, 01:00 AM

Do people even watch the games here?

Ware is clearly the best offensive talent thru 6 games this season and since the SD game has made it well known he's an effective ALL purpose back who is getting 19 yards per reception. Unbelievable. This is much more than check downs, we are talking about a RB who will go 10-20 yards downfield and catch balls in traffic.

Kelce and Harris are out on the field blocking a whole lot more than usual helping Ware get > 5 yards per carry. Conley is getting double the looks from a year ago and catching 66% of his targets as mainly a possession receiver. Hill is taking away looks (although mostly albert's) and is pulling in over 80% of his targets from Smith.

The OP is making an implication that our offense is suffering, if anything we are going to be better as an entire unit as time goes on. Kelce is not getting high volume at this time but he's connected on 27 catches off of 35 targets good for 77% completion (zero fumbles for that matter too, nice work kelce). Thru 6 games, Maclin had 2 games where he dropped some easy passes otherwise he'd easily be sitting at 400 yards on the season and on track for another 1000 yard season.

Also it looks like Reid wants to take those 5-6 runs Alex used to take and turn those into targets for someone now that Schwartz has shored up the right side.

Prediction: Smith will be a ~70% completion with >100 Quarterback rating by week 10.
7 out of his last 10 games are in his favor in terms of pass defense.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-26-2016, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief

It's still early...but maclin has lost some separation and I have no idea why they aren't throwing to Kelce 10 times a game.

He definitely looks slower this year. Makes you wonder if that knee is the problem..

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-26-2016, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

They both appear to be having down years so far. What gives?

Disgust.....

2016: Smith 238 yards/game passing
2015: Smith 203 yards/game passing + 30 yards/game rushing

PutQuinnIn · 10-26-2016, 01:12 AM

Maclin isn't really a prolific receiver. His only significant year was in a pass heavy Chip Kelly offense. I don't expect him to be anyting more than a 1,000 yard receiver like last season.

CoMoChief · 10-26-2016, 01:25 AM

Andy Reid + Alex Smith aka Beavis and Butthead

I have Maclin and Kelce on my FFL..(and Charles). REALLY pissing me off Kelce isn't producing. Really he needs to be the #1 receiving option on this team. Alex Smith just isn't getting him the ball. I'm not pissed about Charles, he fell to the 3rd rd in my league's draft and I knew he wouldn't really start producing til about halfway into the season, but both Maclin and Kelce haven't been doing jack shit, and especially Kelce...Him having only 2 receptions last game is just outright inexcusable. We were very fortunate and lucky to have won the Saints game because Alex Smith didn't do ****ing jack shit the 2nd half of that game. Offense completely sputtered all 2nd half as they managed to score only 2 FG's against one the NFL's worst defenses (at home), all while allowing Drew Brees to claw his way back into the game. I mean who knows what the outcome of that game would have been had the Saints DL not committed that stupid personal foul penalty at a crucial point in the game.

I have a QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-TE-FLX roster format, so I drafted very RB heavy. I hit the jackpot this yr w/ RBs (10-team league). In addition to Charles, I have McCoy, Blount, Gordon, and just picked up Jonathan Stewart off of waivers. I don't really need Charles but I can't use him as trade bait until he starts playing so he's just sitting on my bench while McCoy, Blount, Gordon carry my team.

PutQuinnIn · 10-26-2016, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

He definitely looks slower this year. Makes you wonder if that knee is the problem..

Maclin has battled injuries throughout his career in Phily, he's only played an entire season twice in his career.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-26-2016, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Andy Reid + Alex Smith aka Beavis and Butthead

I have Maclin and Kelce on my FFL..(and Charles). REALLY pissing me off Kelce isn't producing. Really he needs to be the #1 receiving option on this team. Alex Smith just isn't getting him the ball. I'm not pissed about Charles, he fell to the 3rd rd in my league's draft and I knew he wouldn't really start producing til about halfway into the season, but both Maclin and Kelce haven't been doing jack shit, and especially Kelce...Him having only 2 receptions last game is just outright inexcusable. We were very fortunate and lucky to have won the Saints game because Alex Smith didn't do ****ing jack shit the 2nd half of that game.

1) No he doesn't. He needs 6-7 looks a game and needs to be a blocker on half of his snaps. Doesn't get enough credit for his run blocking.

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...2-c2c799dac14b

2) No one gives a **** about your fantasy team.

**alanm** · 10-26-2016, 03:07 AM

Does anyone here have one inkling that defenses may be focusing on them? What a bunch of dumbasses. Yeah it's a little tougher for them this year.

**alanm** · 10-26-2016, 03:09 AM

But hey.. Aint nothing but a thang..

PAChiefsGuy · 10-26-2016, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Remember 2014 when Alex went an entire season without throwing a TD to a WR?

Remember in 2012, the last year Alex Smith wasn't here, when we went 2-14 and our offense was ranked dead last in passing yds and ppg (13.2)?

Who cares if Maclin and Kelce are not producing big numbers as long as we are winning?

Andy Reid likes QBs to spread the ball around. His offenses are not the type to be big on WR or TE stats.

Our offense has been pretty efficient the past couple of weeks. As long as that continues we will be fine. We have Ware, Charles, and a good defense. We don't need Alex to put up crazy stats. We need him to keep the chains moving and not throw INTs.

ChiliConCarnage · 10-26-2016, 04:28 AM

We have more targets and aren't throwing a ton more. Last season watching the games it felt like Maclin was getting targeted so much. Felt like Cassel to Bowe level.

Hammock Parties · 10-26-2016, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

The OP is making an implication that our offense is suffering

jspchief · 10-26-2016, 06:22 AM

You guys may as well accept that this is all the offense is going to be. A veteran qb playing for a veteran offensive minded head coach in their 4th year together. Nothing is going to suddenly click. There aren't pages of plays held back for the playoffs. Reid isn't going to suddenly become a run first coach. This is the apex of this shit offense.

The only chance this team has to truly improve this season is from young defensive players improving and the return of Houston. If something is going to push this team to the next level, it's going to have to be the defense because the offense with Reid and Smith has peaked.

10-25-2016, 07:37 PM
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10-25-2016, 11:09 PM	#47
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10-26-2016, 01:00 AM	#48
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Do people even watch the games here? Ware is clearly the best offensive talent thru 6 games this season and since the SD game has made it well known he's an effective ALL purpose back who is getting 19 yards per reception. Unbelievable. This is much more than check downs, we are talking about a RB who will go 10-20 yards downfield and catch balls in traffic. Kelce and Harris are out on the field blocking a whole lot more than usual helping Ware get > 5 yards per carry. Conley is getting double the looks from a year ago and catching 66% of his targets as mainly a possession receiver. Hill is taking away looks (although mostly albert's) and is pulling in over 80% of his targets from Smith. The OP is making an implication that our offense is suffering, if anything we are going to be better as an entire unit as time goes on. Kelce is not getting high volume at this time but he's connected on 27 catches off of 35 targets good for 77% completion (zero fumbles for that matter too, nice work kelce). Thru 6 games, Maclin had 2 games where he dropped some easy passes otherwise he'd easily be sitting at 400 yards on the season and on track for another 1000 yard season. Also it looks like Reid wants to take those 5-6 runs Alex used to take and turn those into targets for someone now that Schwartz has shored up the right side. Prediction: Smith will be a ~70% completion with >100 Quarterback rating by week 10. 7 out of his last 10 games are in his favor in terms of pass defense. Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 10-26-2016 at 01:11 AM..
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10-26-2016, 01:12 AM	#51
PutQuinnIn Game Manager Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Casino cash: $9625837	Maclin isn't really a prolific receiver. His only significant year was in a pass heavy Chip Kelly offense. I don't expect him to be anyting more than a 1,000 yard receiver like last season.
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10-26-2016, 01:25 AM	#52
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	Andy Reid + Alex Smith aka Beavis and Butthead I have Maclin and Kelce on my FFL..(and Charles). REALLY pissing me off Kelce isn't producing. Really he needs to be the #1 receiving option on this team. Alex Smith just isn't getting him the ball. I'm not pissed about Charles, he fell to the 3rd rd in my league's draft and I knew he wouldn't really start producing til about halfway into the season, but both Maclin and Kelce haven't been doing jack shit, and especially Kelce...Him having only 2 receptions last game is just outright inexcusable. We were very fortunate and lucky to have won the Saints game because Alex Smith didn't do ***ing jack shit the 2nd half of that game. Offense completely sputtered all 2nd half as they managed to score only 2 FG's against one the NFL's worst defenses (at home), all while allowing Drew Brees to claw his way back into the game. I mean who knows what the outcome of that game would have been had the Saints DL not committed that stupid personal foul penalty at a crucial point in the game. I have a QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-TE-FLX roster format, so I drafted very RB heavy. I hit the jackpot this yr w/ RBs (10-team league). In addition to Charles, I have McCoy, Blount, Gordon, and just picked up Jonathan Stewart off of waivers. I don't really need Charles but I can't use him as trade bait until he starts playing so he's just sitting on my bench while McCoy, Blount, Gordon carry my team. __________________ Last edited by CoMoChief; 10-26-2016 at 01:32 AM..*
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10-26-2016, 03:07 AM	#55
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10-26-2016, 03:09 AM	#56
alanm Feeling Victorian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Casino cash: $-113564	But hey.. Aint nothing but a thang.. __________________ It bears repeating, ** Herm, Pioli, Haley, and Crennel for ing up my franchise for a goddamn decade. Buehler 445**
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10-26-2016, 04:28 AM	#58
ChiliConCarnage TACO SALAD Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: yes Casino cash: $-2081532	We have more targets and aren't throwing a ton more. Last season watching the games it felt like Maclin was getting targeted so much. Felt like Cassel to Bowe level.
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10-26-2016, 06:22 AM	#60
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	You guys may as well accept that this is all the offense is going to be. A veteran qb playing for a veteran offensive minded head coach in their 4th year together. Nothing is going to suddenly click. There aren't pages of plays held back for the playoffs. Reid isn't going to suddenly become a run first coach. This is the apex of this shit offense. The only chance this team has to truly improve this season is from young defensive players improving and the return of Houston. If something is going to push this team to the next level, it's going to have to be the defense because the offense with Reid and Smith has peaked. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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