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Old 09-25-2016, 07:16 AM  
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Old 10-29-2016, 05:28 PM   #76
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Old 10-29-2016, 06:02 PM   #77
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No, I cannot accept he was a "victim" of drugs. That's a cop out. A victim of drugs is someone who gets hooked on painkillers. It isn't someone snorting coke and partying on a boat.
Fine. Semantics. He killed himself due to drugs, but this lesson could show children that it could happen to anyone, right?

The people he loved were certainly victims here.
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Old 10-29-2016, 06:48 PM   #78
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Having a few drinks and a line of cocaine isn't what killed Fernandez and his friends.

They died because whomever was driving was very inexperienced piloting a boat, wasn't familiar with the terrain, while dealing with a pitch black night. It would have happened regardless of whether or not the pilot was drinking or partying.

Also, center console fishing boats don't usually get to a high rate of speed, which points to inexperience. It's not like they were in a Wellcraft Scarab.
What? Of course drugs and alcohol are part of the equation. Mix in testosterone and you got 3 guys going way too fast in a speed boat with zero visability in a dangerous environment. I guarantee you had Cocain and alcohol not been involved the likelihood that these three would still be alive exponentially increases.
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Old 10-29-2016, 06:54 PM   #79
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Fine. Semantics. He killed himself due to drugs, but this lesson could show children that it could happen to anyone, right?
No. That's not the correct lesson. That could never happen to me, or millions of others who've never touched drugs let alone hardcore ones like Coke mixed with alcohol. It isn't random - it's a choice.


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Old 10-29-2016, 07:02 PM   #80
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No. That's not the correct lesson. That could never happen to me, or millions of others who've never touched drugs .
What about Maker's Mark? Could 6 of them get you to do ungodly things?
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Old 10-29-2016, 07:07 PM   #81
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What? Of course drugs and alcohol are part of the equation. Mix in testosterone and you got 3 guys going way too fast in a speed boat with zero visability in a dangerous environment. I guarantee you had Cocain and alcohol not been involved the likelihood that these three would still be alive exponentially increases.
I don't buy it
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Old 10-29-2016, 07:10 PM   #82
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No. That's not the correct lesson. That could never happen to me, or millions of others who've never touched drugs let alone hardcore ones like Coke mixed with alcohol. It isn't random - it's a choice.
I wondered if you were going to take this position. I taught at a school where one of my students got beaten up by four people in a rival gang after he tried to stop selling dime bags. He choose to say no, and he got beaten within an inch of his life. He's now hustlin' again, and indicated to the staff that he feels like he doesn't have a choice.

It's easy to say "no" when you've never had to choose between being a poverty and relying on vice for a livelihood. While a boy at my school tried to get out of my life, many don't, in my district (KCK) there were 5th graders who had parole officers because they learned to hustle in their communities. It's because of this that many don't see the risks of engaging in that lifestyle, because it's all they've ever known. Jose Fernandez could be the wake up call because he demonstrates that the risk is there for even those at the top of the societal ladder. He also illustrates the collateral damage that he's left behind for the victims in his family. This removes any glamour associated with this "life", and told in the right way, could inspire a village to make real changes in their communities. Maybe it wouldn't work, but we know the alternative of the "Just Say No" narrative has been nothing but a colossal failure in our society.

If you want to preach the merits of that failed campaign, I won't stop you. With respect, we're not likely going to find a common ground on this subject, PB, so I'm going to bow out now. I'll catch you in a Royals thread sometime soon.
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Old 10-29-2016, 07:21 PM   #84
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I guess you've never been young, dumb and full of cum then because I know I was, and mix in drugs and alcohol and well, I'm lucky I'm alive.

Here's the deal with the unfortunate accident: why speed around in a boat with zero visability, no lights, and near concrete structures? If none of those young men knew what they were doing, why risk death? The only sane answer is because their reasoning/judgement is impaired.

Does anyone think Hernandez wanted to die? Neither do I. Also, this is not the first case of young professional male athletes killing themselves in a boating accident where drugs and alcohol are involved.
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I guess you've never been young, dumb and full of cum then because I know I was when I was younger and mix in drugs and alcohol and well, I'm lucky I'm alive.

Here's the deal with the unfortunate accident: why speed around in a boat with zero visability, no lights, and near concrete structures. If none of those young men knew what they were doing, why risk death? The only sain answer is because their reasoning/judgement is impaired.

Does anyone think Hernandez wanted to die? Neither do I. Also, this is not the first case of young professional male athletes killing themselves in a boating accident where drugs and alcohol are involved.
No, I didn't do drugs when younger and I don't think that's why they died.

They died because of their lack of maritime experience. You can find drunk people on lakes all over America on any given summer day. Same goes for Tampa Bay, the LA South Bay, the eastern side of Florida and any number of bodies of water.

It's pretty hard to kill yourself in center console boat, unless you're inexperienced and horsing around at night in an unfamiliar location. Even then, it's pretty hard to kill yourself.

The investigation couldn't determine who was piloting the boat. One guy had no cocaine in his system and the other two had less BAC than Fernandez. That said, an experienced boater, even when "drunk", wouldn't have crashed that boat into the rocks.
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No, I didn't do drugs when younger and I don't think that's why they died.

They died because of their lack of maritime experience. You can find drunk people on lakes all over America on any given summer day. Same goes for Tampa Bay, the LA South Bay, the eastern side of Florida and any number of bodies of water.

It's pretty hard to kill yourself in center console boat, unless you're inexperienced and horsing around at night in an unfamiliar location. Even then, it's pretty hard to kill yourself.

The investigation couldn't determine who was piloting the boat. One guy had no cocaine in his system and the other two had less BAC than Fernandez. That said, an experienced boater, even when "drunk", wouldn't have crashed that boat into the rocks.
Fair enough. The boat was a 32' SeaVee with a top speed of 70 mph or so, there is a strong possibility Fernandez was driving, it was his boat. He was drunk and hopped up on coke. Maybe if he was not drunk and on drugs these guys don't even try and go out on the water? It's all speculation now.
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Fair enough. The boat was a 32' SeaVee with a top speed of 70 mph or so, there is a strong possibility Fernandez was driving, it was his boat. He was drunk and hopped up on coke. Maybe if he was not drunk and on drugs these guys don't even try and go out on the water? It's all speculation now.
I thought it was someone else's boat.
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