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Hog's Gone Fishin · 11-05-2016, 05:49 PM

Just a question.

mschiefs1984 · 11-06-2016, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I doubt it. Foles had one good season. What is the winning percentage of the each QB since 2012 (when Foles came into the league)?

I doubt it as well.

But one can always hope

**Bowser** · 11-06-2016, 12:49 AM

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eDave · 11-06-2016, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mschiefs1984

Yes we have

But if Foles plays to a level where they HAVE to keep him in there we will only win more. That's all I'm saying

Fantasy land.

**TimeForWasp** · 11-06-2016, 02:17 AM

This is Politics and should be in DC

PAChiefsGuy · 11-06-2016, 04:17 AM

No I don't. Last thing this team needs is a QB controversy especially given what happened to Alex in SF. It'd be too much of a distraction.

Don't get me wrong I want Foles to play well today but I want Alex to remain the starter. I want him to play great when he comes back next week and take this team as far as it can go.

I don't think Foles is that good. You get cut by the QB-starved Rams, traded by the Eagles for Bradford, you got some issues that need to be worked out.

IMO Foles is a good backup and nothing more. He can come in for a couple games and play well but long term he is not the answer...

threebag · 11-06-2016, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Yes, because we are treading water with Alex, and it will be great to be done with the Alex only fans.

I would tell you to eat a fat one, but you seem wrapped up in needless bullshit already. Go CHIEFS

chiefzilla1501 · 11-06-2016, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I doubt it. Foles had one good season. What is the winning percentage of the each QB since 2012 (when Foles came into the league)?

I don't want Foles to start because I don't want the Chiefs to treat him like the qbotf where we refuse to draft a qb. No matter what, the Chiefs need to draft a qb hopefully in the first round, because they need a groomed and ready qb as soon as Alex is done.

But in fairness, to your point... What's hilarious about Alex lovers getting all huffy and puffy about Foles being terrible. Does anyone not remember Alex's first years in the league? He had 1 td to 11 ints his rookie year. Oh, the excuse is that hes has multiple offensive coordinators and couldn't get settled? So has Foles. That's not an excuse for Foles by the way. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Back to the topic, I want Foles to win so we stay in the playoff hunt. I want him to be successful taking some shots in the intermediate and deep game so Alex can see what good things happen when you allow your receivers to make plays. And I want Alex to feel a little pressure about keeping his job. There is no qb controversy. Alex will start when ready, so I just hope this is a big opportunity to finally coach Alex to open up his game.

NJChiefsFan · 11-06-2016, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I doubt it. Foles had one good season. What is the winning percentage of the each QB since 2012 (when Foles came into the league)?

I'm not saying I necessarily disagree. I don't know what Foles is with his mixed results. However comparing winning percentages is a little unfair and I think you know it. Foles played a year on a meltdown eagles team and the freaking rams vs the balanced teams Alex has been on.

My concern with Smith is that we need to play such a near perfect team game to beat very good teams in the playoffs. Hard to do when you will have to do it multiple times to win it all, and more importantly, Andy Reid leaves stuff out on the field each week with his inconsistent game management.

I'm not sure Foles is the answer. I'm also not sure that Smith is the right answer to go into NE or beat PIT in the playoffs.

Sandy Vagina · 11-06-2016, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I'm not saying I necessarily disagree. I don't know what Foles is with his mixed results. However comparing winning percentages is a little unfair and I think you know it. Foles played a year on a meltdown eagles team and the freaking rams vs the balanced teams Alex has been on.

My concern with Smith is that we need to play such a near perfect team game to beat very good teams in the playoffs. Hard to do when you will have to do it multiple times to win it all, and more importantly, Andy Reid leaves stuff out on the field each week with his inconsistent game management.

I'm not sure Foles is the answer. I'm also not sure that Smith is the right answer to go into NE or beat PIT in the playoffs.

If I recall, you have always been rather reasonable and fair.

So can you please tell me why it is that everyone who talks about the playoffs... and what we can do in them.. ALWAYS omit the part where our best players are either badly hobbled or not playing whatsoever.

I won't rehash the recent KC years of playoff injuries.. who was missing... and the relatively close game results. We all know them well enough.

When I see people type things much like this bolded segment above.. this thought always goes through my mind.

Well, what if the Maclins and Houstons and Halis.. and etc were actually healthy and had played this game? Must be some reason we are paying theses guys crazy big money. Maybe it's because.. they are important to the KC success formula?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-06-2016, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

If I recall, you have always been rather reasonable and fair.

So can you please tell me why it is that everyone who talks about the playoffs... and what we can do in them.. ALWAYS omit the part where our best players are either badly hobbled or not playing whatsoever.

I won't rehash the recent KC years of playoff injuries.. who was missing... and the relatively close game results. We all know them well enough.

When I see people type things much like this bolded segment above.. this thought always goes through my mind.

Well, what if the Maclins and Houstons and Halis.. and etc were actually healthy and had played this game? Must be some reason we are paying theses guys crazy big money. Maybe it's because.. they are important to the KC success formula?

It's a fair question. In his chiefs playoff history he had a virtually flawless performance against Indy and did well in Houston where he was asked to be more of a game manager. So far, the majority of playoff history has been terrific. Hes earned some benefit of the doubt.

But the new England game was Alex trying to play his game against a team you can't play small ball with. And it bit them in the second half. In his defense, without Maclin, our receiver corps wasnt good. But when new England started rolling and even in a must score situation, there is simply no excuse for small ball no matter who your receivers are. So not having receivers isn't an excuse for not at least swinging in the end. I'd rather get picked off late trying than the very questionable strategy we took in the end where it looked like we weren't even trying to get a td.

NJChiefsFan · 11-06-2016, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

If I recall, you have always been rather reasonable and fair.

So can you please tell me why it is that everyone who talks about the playoffs... and what we can do in them.. ALWAYS omit the part where our best players are either badly hobbled or not playing whatsoever.

I won't rehash the recent KC years of playoff injuries.. who was missing... and the relatively close game results. We all know them well enough.

When I see people type things much like this bolded segment above.. this thought always goes through my mind.

Well, what if the Maclins and Houstons and Halis.. and etc were actually healthy and had played this game? Must be some reason we are paying theses guys crazy big money. Maybe it's because.. they are important to the KC success formula?

I would love to have seen last years KC @ NE game with everyone healthy. I am optimistic about this team, even with Smith. But if he happened to be out for this game and the CAR game, and Foles got the offense going, it's something to consider.

I don't put last year's loss in NE on Smith, but he certainly was a factor in us not winning. Between him and Andy's conservative "let's not lose" gameplan, we went in there like scared children. Not having a healthy Maclin or Houston made a big difference, especially on defense. I don't know if it is more a Smith issue or Andy issue, but expecting to win in the Divisional Round and the AFCCG, plus the SB, with that attitude and play from the QB is asking a lot of everyone else. And that's even with Houston and Maclin healthy.

What happens if we aren't 100% healthy again? Do we just say, "oh well what can Smith and KC do" and go home? It's not crazy to expect more from a QB and coach than we got in that NE game, no matter who was injured.

Reerun_KC · 11-06-2016, 06:58 AM

If Smith doesn't get us to the Superbowl THIS year with a team this loaded. Then we for damn sure need to re evaluate his contract a d future here.

Smith has to produce at a high level in January and February. No more excuses. It's past time for him to deliver.

rico · 11-06-2016, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't want Foles to start because I don't want the Chiefs to treat him like the qbotf where we refuse to draft a qb. No matter what, the Chiefs need to draft a qb hopefully in the first round, because they need a groomed and ready qb as soon as Alex is done.

But in fairness, to your point... What's hilarious about Alex lovers getting all huffy and puffy about Foles being terrible. Does anyone not remember Alex's first years in the league? He had 1 td to 11 ints his rookie year. Oh, the excuse is that hes has multiple offensive coordinators and couldn't get settled? So has Foles. That's not an excuse for Foles by the way. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Back to the topic, I want Foles to win so we stay in the playoff hunt. I want him to be successful taking some shots in the intermediate and deep game so Alex can see what good things happen when you allow your receivers to make plays. And I want Alex to feel a little pressure about keeping his job. There is no qb controversy. Alex will start when ready, so I just hope this is a big opportunity to finally coach Alex to open up his game.

Dude, I seriously was going to post something about this very thing when I got home from work (I just got off 15 minutes ago). I have little notes jotted down on a "HOLD" card.

When it comes to their first 4 seasons that they played in (Alex was injured all year his 3rd or 4th season), Foles has Smith beaten by a landslide...and some of the Alex-lovers give him absolutely no credit for that. And the common Alexcuse for his terrible start is the large amount of Offensive Coordinators he had in those years...well, Foles is in his 5th season and has already had 5 Offensive Coordinators. Foles's infamous season where he went off (2013, 27 TD's, 2 INT's in like, 12 games) wasn't just a good season...it was historically good...with a historical game where he threw 7 TD's in one game. I watched that game...I watched a lot of his rookie and 2013 seasons and he looked really good in those seasons. I don't know what happened at St. Louis, but I do know when he played for the Eagles, he had moments where he absolutely looked the part of a potentially elite QB. Hell, he looked great when he played in college. I watched the Iowa vs. Arizona game in 2010 and he out-dueled the shit out of Ricky Stanzi...that's why I watched what he did in the NFL. And I always hear the Alexcuse that Alex had the injury early in his career where he was put on injured reserve...Well, Foles has been on injured reserve as well...broke his hand as a rookie.

Foles's first 4 seasons in the NFL:

2012: 6 TD's, 5 INT's
2013: 27 TD's, 2 INT's
2014: 13 TD', 10 INT's
2015: 7 TD's, 10 INT's

Total: 53 TD's, 27 INT's.

* Plus 5 rushing TD's.

Alex's first 4 seasons in the NFL:

2005: 1 TD, 11 INT's
2006: 16 TD's, 16 INT's
2007: 2 TD's, 4 INT's
2008: Did not play...
2009: 18 TD's, 12 INT's

Total: 37 TD's, 43 INT's

* Plus 2 rushing TD's.

The potential for Foles to do well is freaking there...and Alexuals need to keep Alex's first 4 seasons in mind when they are critiquing Foles so harshly. He could very well pick up steam and start rolling again.

I would rather us draft a QB, but I will say this.... I have a better feeling about our past experiences with Ramtread QB's than I do 49er retread QB's.

rico · 11-06-2016, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Cheeks

If I recall, you have always been rather reasonable and fair.

Your version of posters who are reasonable and fair simply depends on whether they are Alex Smith fans, or not.

Red Dawg · 11-06-2016, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

If Smith doesn't get us to the Superbowl THIS year with a team this loaded. Then we for damn sure need to re evaluate his contract a d future here.

Smith has to produce at a high level in January and February. No more excuses. It's past time for him to deliver.

What he said bitches. Dead on target.

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