Chiefs Bucs abused the defense... - Page 27

**petegz28** · 08:27 AM

I don't care what you have to say about Smith or the offense. The Chiefs defense got absolutely ass pumped by the Bucs. They got one stop because Winston dropped the ball. When the game was on the line they couldn't stop anything. They gave up 5-8 ypc runs all day long. WR's were running around wide open and no one even sniffed Winston's jock.

Blame who you want on offense and there is blame to be had by them and Reid. But the defense killed us today.

**petegz28** · 11-20-2016, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Again with that.

We bypassed a 54 yard fg with a healthy kicker due to wind. If we had started from the 30 you think we were going to get 45-50 yards and kick a fg with an injured kicker in the same conditions. All in under two minutes with no time outs?

Come on man that is no where near a given with this offense. You act as though it is.

The wind in the 3Q, which is when we didn't go for it, is not the same in the 4th when we are going the other way. And you keep going back to this having to be a 54 yard kick.

Again, you are all over the map. If your argument was even incoherent you would be light years ahead of where you are now.

kcpasco · 11-20-2016, 09:05 PM

Santos is hurt now? Damn this team is snake bitten with injuries.

rabblerouser · 11-20-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

JFC, this is crazy. We took 4 mins to score a TD. All we would have needed was a FG. Forget...you guys are right...our defense who's shortest drive all game, was a 9 play drive allowing a FG, has no blame in this loss.

I have no faith that Smith could've even led a late FG drive, had he even had the time. He throws no-look, one-read INTs into the end zone...

Point is, they constantly held on, keeping Tampa to FGs instead of TDs...keeping it within reach. Held them to 19. God forbid the offense actually step up, do their job and score more points than the other team.

**SAUTO** · 11-20-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The wind in the 3Q, which is when we didn't go for it, is not the same in the 4th when we are going the other way. And you keep going back to this having to be a 54 yard kick.

Again, you are all over the map. If your argument was even incoherent you would be light years ahead of where you are now.

I've never said it had to be a 54 yard kick.

I've explained my argument multiple times, very clearly.

You just keep making things up. Me saying it had to be a 54 yard kick at the end is a case in point

Hint: I never once did.

ThaVirus · 11-20-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Despite the defense playing like ass they still didn't allow more then 20 points. this offense couldn't score 20 at home. This is all on the offense. Alex Smith did not get it done. He's played 2 quarters of good football all season and that's it There is a reason why he's ranked in the bottom of the league in most passing statistics. He's just not good.

Hate to pour it on but, yeah, this is a trend.

On a perfect weather day, at home, against one of the worst defenses in the league, great pass protection, and the running game doing well, our offense failed to out up 20 points.

That is ****ing pathetic. Our offense is ****ing pathetic and it's a direct extension of lackluster QB play.

**petegz28** · 11-20-2016, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I've never said it had to be a 54 yard kick.

I've explained my argument multiple times, very clearly.

You just keep making things up. Me saying it had to be a 54 yard kick at the end is a case in point

Hint: I never once did.

No, you just keep using to choose not kicking a 54 yard FG into the wind in the 3rd Q, down by 1 as your crutch for not being able to kick a FG of unknown distance with the wind at your back in the 4th Q to win the game.

Yeah, that's what you said

BlackOp · 11-20-2016, 09:11 PM

I think there was like one offensive holding call all game combined.....at least in the first half. I'm not sure I've ever seen that. Winston was barely touched as a result. Smith didn't take a sack.

The only issue is that if a game is going to be called like that...it a distinct dis-advantage for a team with the better pass rush. I saw at least 3 overt muggings that should have been a 10 yard penalty.

That is one way a team gets off the field on 3rd downs.

Have to give Winston credit too...he was sharp today.

**petegz28** · 11-20-2016, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I think there was ONE offensive holding call all game combined. I'm not sure I've ever seen that. Winston was barely touched as a result. Smith didn't take a sack.

The only issue is that if a game is going to be called like that...it a distinct dis-advantage for a team with the better pass rush. I saw at least 3 muggings that should have been a 10 yard penalty.

That is one way a team gets off the field on 3rd downs.

Have to give Winston credit too...he was sharp today.

Sutton brought little of anything up the middle. Never sent any safeties or CB's on blitzes. This was about as blah of a game plan is it gets.

**SAUTO** · 11-20-2016, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

No, you just keep using to choose not kicking a 54 yard FG into the wind in the 3rd Q, down by 1 as your crutch for not being able to kick a FG of unknown distance with the wind at your back in the 4th Q to win the game.

Yeah, that's what you said

Doubt forget that the kicker was healthy in the first instance and injured in the second also.
Convenient to leave that out

**petegz28** · 11-20-2016, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Doubt forget that the kicker was healthy in the first instance and injured in the second also.
Convenient to leave that out

You have yet to detail the extent of said injury......

**SAUTO** · 11-20-2016, 09:23 PM

You also said that the panthers didnt try a fg because of the wind also.

If they wanted they could have kicked the ball before the 3rd quarter time expired and had the wind at their back according to your theory.

Their third down snap was with 22 seconds left in the third qtr and they punted at 1500 left in the fourth.

Maybe the winds were more swirling than straight line.

**SAUTO** · 11-20-2016, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You have yet to detail the extent of said injury......

That's because the team hasn't detailed it yet.

They definitely said he had injured an ankle.

**petegz28** · 11-20-2016, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

That's because the team hasn't detailed it yet.

They definitely said he had injured an ankle.

so youre assuming that he couldn't kick...got it

BlackOp · 11-20-2016, 09:28 PM

People were acting like not calling holding penalties had no effect...so how does this anomaly happen on the road at Arrowhead?

"Winston has taken 7.4 quarterback hits (tied for most in the NFL with Andrew Luck) per game over the first nine contests, so it was disappointing to see the Chiefs unable to take advantage of Tampa's banged-up offensive line."

**SAUTO** · 11-20-2016, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

so youre assuming that he couldn't kick...got it

No I'm not assuming that, I am assuming that if he could kick an ankle injury would most likely impact it and the decision especially concerning length of kick.

I've even said that if they got the ball on the thirty they would have had to get 45-50 yards (which doesn't score a td) in less than 2 minutes with no time outs to try a fg with an injured (we don't know how bad) kicker.

Im not thinking that a given to believe we could pull off.

You are acting like it's a certainty.

11-20-2016, 03:22 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1145873	Bucs abused the defense... I don't care what you have to say about Smith or the offense. The Chiefs defense got absolutely ass pumped by the Bucs. They got one stop because Winston dropped the ball. When the game was on the line they couldn't stop anything. They gave up 5-8 ypc runs all day long. WR's were running around wide open and no one even sniffed Winston's jock. Blame who you want on offense and there is blame to be had by them and Reid. But the defense killed us today. Last edited by petegz28; 11-21-2016 at 08:27 AM..
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11-20-2016, 09:11 PM	#397
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2575267	I think there was like one offensive holding call all game combined.....at least in the first half. I'm not sure I've ever seen that. Winston was barely touched as a result. Smith didn't take a sack. The only issue is that if a game is going to be called like that...it a distinct dis-advantage for a team with the better pass rush. I saw at least 3 overt muggings that should have been a 10 yard penalty. That is one way a team gets off the field on 3rd downs. Have to give Winston credit too...he was sharp today. Last edited by BlackOp; 11-20-2016 at 09:16 PM..
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11-20-2016, 09:23 PM	#401
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	You also said that the panthers didnt try a fg because of the wind also. If they wanted they could have kicked the ball before the 3rd quarter time expired and had the wind at their back according to your theory. Their third down snap was with 22 seconds left in the third qtr and they punted at 1500 left in the fourth. Maybe the winds were more swirling than straight line.
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11-20-2016, 09:28 PM	#404
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2575267	People were acting like not calling holding penalties had no effect...so how does this anomaly happen on the road at Arrowhead? "Winston has taken 7.4 quarterback hits (tied for most in the NFL with Andrew Luck) per game over the first nine contests, so it was disappointing to see the Chiefs unable to take advantage of Tampa's banged-up offensive line."
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