Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 17

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

Beef Supreme · 11-21-2016, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

That definitely was a team loss yesterday.

You hardly ever see a team get a first down to run the clock out at Arrowhead in a one score game when the Chiefs have an above .500 team.

As much people want to complain about the offense. I am very confident that they would have drove for the winning FG if Tampa had to punt with 2:00 left in the game.

Except they couldn't stop them all day. If the game plan depended on a stop at that crucial moment, it's a shit game plan. How about the offense score earlier and not wait until the last minute and put it all on the defense ... again?

TripleThreat · 11-21-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

to not put injuries at the top is ridiculous, in my humble opinion.

No Maclin? No Houston? No MP22? Hali with half a breath left? Concussions to QB and RB1? RB2 nursing something? Starting LG out on IR? Half a Gaines? No Dee Ford? Bailey gone to IR? Howard out? and Zombo getting time?

These are my exact thoughts too...

We were bound to lose a game with as many injurys as we have to key positions.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2016, 03:43 PM

A year ago, we had just beaten San Diego on the road 33-3 in order to get to 5-5. This year the record is better, but the way we are playing is concerning and doesn't feel near as good.

That could change in a single game, though.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

That definitely was a team loss yesterday.

You hardly ever see a team get a first down to run the clock out at Arrowhead in a one score game when the Chiefs have an above .500 team.

As much people want to complain about the offense. I am very confident that they would have drove for the winning FG if Tampa had to punt with 2:00 left in the game.

Ditto

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2016, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

As much people want to complain about the offense. I am very confident that they would have drove for the winning FG if Tampa had to punt with 2:00 left in the game.

what gives you that confidence?

once again...

we by-passed a 54 yard FG because of the wind earlier in the game with a healthy kicker.
the kicker injured an ankle after that and the wind was still there (i realize we were going the other way but if the issue was either into the wind or with the wind to our back the panthers would have kicked theirs two drives later before the 3rd ended and wouldnt have waited for the clock to expire)

i have no idea how anyone could be confident that we would drive 40-50 yards in 2 minutes with no timeouts and then kick a good FG in that situation.

RunKC · 11-21-2016, 03:59 PM

Alex got better as the season progressed last year. This year he's clearly regressing.

He's on the downside of his career. It's time to find his replacement.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2016, 04:05 PM

I think Alex's 'regression' has more to do with what Reid is asking him to do than him actually 'regressing'....

We are passing the ball at an alarming rate for a 7-3 team that has been built on running the football. Our best offensive outing this year was Oakland, when we played smashmouth football. You think back to Alex last year and his good stretch. The running game was what we were known for and it made Smith much more effective.

He has never been and will never be a Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc. Put him in position to manage the game and lean on the run game. Otherwise, its going to be more of the same for this offense.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Alex got better as the season progressed last year. This year he's clearly regressing.

He's on the downside of his career. It's time to find his replacement.

His accuracy says otherwise and we need to see what the offense can do with Maclin healthy in the lineup

Sandy Vagina · 11-21-2016, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Alex got better as the season progressed last year. This year he's clearly regressing.

He's on the downside of his career. It's time to find his replacement.

No arguments on the replacement part. He'll likely be gone in 2018, if he doesn't retire this offseason.

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2016, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

His accuracy says otherwise and we need to see what the offense can do with Maclin healthy in the lineup

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2016, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

His accuracy says otherwise and we need to see what the offense can do with Maclin healthy in the lineup

I'm telling you all, it ain't got a lot of anything to do with Maclin. He'll help, for sure. But it is 95% the approach. They are not using the identity that got them 11 straight wins last year.

RUN THE BALL. Alex Smith should pass 25 times per game MAX unless its a Pittsburgh scenario and you have to play catch up early.

It won't always be pretty every play but this OL is better than last year's and they were great running the football. This team can do it too. We've seen it.

Sandy Vagina · 11-21-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I think Alex's 'regression' has more to do with what Reid is asking him to do than him actually 'regressing'....

We are passing the ball at an alarming rate for a 7-2 team that has been built on running the football.

Outsiders has the KC rush game ranked at 25th. Maybe this is the reason. The run blocking has been lousy... OL run blocking ranked 17th. Pass pro ranks 26th.

Lots of problems need fixin' for this scrappy 7-3 team.

Gravedigger · 11-21-2016, 04:13 PM

Alex Smith wasn't the problem guys! Look at this number, see that proves he wasn't the problem! Wheres the column for bone headed throws that cost us the game?

gold_and_red · 11-21-2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I think Alex's 'regression' has more to do with what Reid is asking him to do than him actually 'regressing'....

We are passing the ball at an alarming rate for a 7-2 team that has been built on running the football. Our best offensive outing this year was Oakland, when we played smashmouth football. You think back to Alex last year and his good stretch. The running game was what we were known for and it made Smith much more effective.

He has never been and will never be a Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc. Put him in position to manage the game and lean on the run game. Otherwise, its going to be more of the same for this offense.

I think Reid is consciously trying to bolster the passing game from the pocket. Maclin, Kelce, Hill, pass catching RBs, what more does Alex need? But the results are still mediocre-bad. Maybe Reid is setting up reasons to move on from Alex

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Outsiders has the KC rush game ranked at 25th. Maybe this is the reason. The run blocking has been lousy... OL run blocking ranked 17th. Pass pro ranks 26th.

Lots of problems need fixin' for this scrappy 7-3 team.

It would be a lot better if Andy would stick to it. He sees one run for no gain and we don't try again for 5 plays.

Let those guys get in a groove and build some chemistry in the run game.

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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11-21-2016, 03:59 PM	#246
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1620389	Alex got better as the season progressed last year. This year he's clearly regressing. He's on the downside of his career. It's time to find his replacement. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6609447	I think Alex's 'regression' has more to do with what Reid is asking him to do than him actually 'regressing'.... We are passing the ball at an alarming rate for a 7-3 team that has been built on running the football. Our best offensive outing this year was Oakland, when we played smashmouth football. You think back to Alex last year and his good stretch. The running game was what we were known for and it made Smith much more effective. He has never been and will never be a Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc. Put him in position to manage the game and lean on the run game. Otherwise, its going to be more of the same for this offense. Last edited by pugsnotdrugs19; 11-21-2016 at 04:15 PM..
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Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $6473101	Alex Smith wasn't the problem guys! Look at this number, see that proves he wasn't the problem! Wheres the column for bone headed throws that cost us the game?
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