Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 70

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

DJ's left nut · 12-01-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I'd take tannehill here

I was a big Tannehill fan coming out; was actually pretty shocked he went as early as he did.

But he's not a Reid quarterback, IMO. Too erratic. My favorite thing about him was that he was unpolished and with some work could unlock tools that you usually only get out of top 5 picks.

Well I don't think he's polished up much at all. Despite having next to now time at QB in college, he still hasn't developed much beyond where he was at A&M. I really figured he'd come along more and turn into something of a mobile Stafford but it hasn't happened.

I'd take a chance on him but not with that contract; it's a pretty nasty one for a guy that was losing games for Miami until they decided to lean heavily on Ajayi. EDIT: Let me clarify; I'd take it in trade from Miami because they'd eat the bonus and the Chiefs could bail on his deal if they wanted to after the '17 season. At that point the AAV would be around $18 million with an easy escape clause. It's still overpaid but there's potential there and it's pretty much market for an average starting QB.

I'd rather draft a cost-controlled guy, but if you could get Tannehill for a 3rd and draft another guy in the 1st or 2nd, you're in nice shape. If you can rehab Tannehill and deal him, that works nicely. If your draftee doesn't pan out, you still have Tannehill to fall back on.

But the fins won't deal him; they're too heavily invested in him at this point.

O.city · 12-01-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I was a big Tannehill fan coming out; was actually pretty shocked he went as early as he did.

But he's not a Reid quarterback, IMO. Too erratic. My favorite thing about him was that he was unpolished and with some work could unlock tools that you usually only get out of top 5 picks.

Well I don't think he's polished up much at all. Despite having next to now time at QB in college, he still hasn't developed much beyond where he was at A&M. I really figured he'd come along more and turn into something of a mobile Stafford but it hasn't happened.

I'd take a chance on him but not with that contract; it's a pretty nasty one for a guy that was losing games for Miami until they decided to lean heavily on Ajayi. EDIT: Let me clarify; I'd take it in trade from Miami because they'd eat the bonus and the Chiefs could bail on his deal if they wanted to after the '17 season. At that point the AAV would be around $18 million with an easy escape clause. It's still overpaid but there's potential there and it's pretty much market for an average starting QB.

I'd rather draft a cost-controlled guy, but if you could get Tannehill for a 3rd and draft another guy in the 1st or 2nd, you're in nice shape. If you can rehab Tannehill and deal him, that works nicely. If your draftee doesn't pan out, you still have Tannehill to fall back on.

But the fins won't deal him; they're too heavily invested in him at this point.

See I think he's playing well this year, but they do have a good running game to lean on.

It's just time to draft someone. Smith looks cooked and it's been far to long. They've built a pretty solid roster that needs a few more pieces, but could carry a young Qb for a year or two if they had to.

**The Franchise** · 12-01-2016, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I was a big Tannehill fan coming out; was actually pretty shocked he went as early as he did.

But he's not a Reid quarterback, IMO. Too erratic. My favorite thing about him was that he was unpolished and with some work could unlock tools that you usually only get out of top 5 picks.

Well I don't think he's polished up much at all. Despite having next to now time at QB in college, he still hasn't developed much beyond where he was at A&M. I really figured he'd come along more and turn into something of a mobile Stafford but it hasn't happened.

I'd take a chance on him but not with that contract; it's a pretty nasty one for a guy that was losing games for Miami until they decided to lean heavily on Ajayi. EDIT: Let me clarify; I'd take it in trade from Miami because they'd eat the bonus and the Chiefs could bail on his deal if they wanted to after the '17 season. At that point the AAV would be around $18 million with an easy escape clause. It's still overpaid but there's potential there and it's pretty much market for an average starting QB.

I'd rather draft a cost-controlled guy, but if you could get Tannehill for a 3rd and draft another guy in the 1st or 2nd, you're in nice shape. If you can rehab Tannehill and deal him, that works nicely. If your draftee doesn't pan out, you still have Tannehill to fall back on.

But the fins won't deal him; they're too heavily invested in him at this point.

What do you think about Cousins?

rico · 12-01-2016, 10:51 AM

You know who flashed last weekend?

Matt Barkley for the Bears. He had a couple moments where you thought, "wtf," but he had many moments where he looked great. Had 3 TD's, 2 INT's...the crazy thing was that he could have had a couple few more touchdowns....his receivers were biffing, bad. So, so many crucial drops. I can't remember a supporting cast being so detrimental to a QB's play in a long time.

**The Franchise** · 12-01-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rico

You know who flashed last weekend?

Matt Barkley for the Bears. He had a couple moments where you thought, "wtf," but he had many moments where he looked great. Had 3 TD's, 2 INT's...the crazy thing was that he could have had a couple few more touchdowns....his receivers were biffing, bad. So, so many crucial drops. I can't remember a supporting cast be so detrimental to a QB's play in a long time.

The Titan's pass defense sucks. Now watch Alex Smith throw for 175 yards with 1 TD against them.

O.city · 12-01-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What do you think about Cousins?

I've seen his name thrown around here.

I'm not a fan. He's got a stacked group around him there. I dunno. Just not a huge fan.

**The Franchise** · 12-01-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I've seen his name thrown around here.

I'm not a fan. He's got a stacked group around him there. I dunno. Just not a huge fan.

Stacked group how?

He's got Desean Jackson (who's been hurt). Swap him out with Tyreek Hill.
He's got a possession type WR in Garcon. Swap him out with Maclin.
He's got a top 5 TE in Jordan Reed. Swap him out with Kelce.

Their offensive line, I think, is on par with ours.

We have a better group of RBs.

threebag · 12-01-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rico

You know who flashed last weekend?

Matt Barkley for the Bears. He had a couple moments where you thought, "wtf," but he had many moments where he looked great. Had 3 TD's, 2 INT's...the crazy thing was that he could have had a couple few more touchdowns....his receivers were biffing, bad. So, so many crucial drops. I can't remember a supporting cast be so detrimental to a QB's play in a long time.

No thanks

rico · 12-01-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What do you think about Cousins?

That guy won me over last week.

I love that "you like that!" clip of him...

Sorry can't embed from phone.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bsB7UQ8BlE0

rico · 12-01-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

No thanks

Did you see the game?

retkim · 12-01-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Titan's pass defense sucks. Now watch Alex Smith throw for 175 yards with 1 TD against them.

And if we win I'll take that on any day.

rico · 12-01-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Titan's pass defense sucks. Now watch Alex Smith throw for 175 yards with 1 TD against them.

Yeah, I know...they suck ass...but man, he definitely could have had a much worse showing in his first ever NFL start.

mcaj22 · 12-01-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I was a big Tannehill fan coming out; was actually pretty shocked he went as early as he did.

But he's not a Reid quarterback, IMO. Too erratic. My favorite thing about him was that he was unpolished and with some work could unlock tools that you usually only get out of top 5 picks.

Well I don't think he's polished up much at all. Despite having next to now time at QB in college, he still hasn't developed much beyond where he was at A&M. I really figured he'd come along more and turn into something of a mobile Stafford but it hasn't happened.

I'd take a chance on him but not with that contract; it's a pretty nasty one for a guy that was losing games for Miami until they decided to lean heavily on Ajayi. EDIT: Let me clarify; I'd take it in trade from Miami because they'd eat the bonus and the Chiefs could bail on his deal if they wanted to after the '17 season. At that point the AAV would be around $18 million with an easy escape clause. It's still overpaid but there's potential there and it's pretty much market for an average starting QB.

I'd rather draft a cost-controlled guy, but if you could get Tannehill for a 3rd and draft another guy in the 1st or 2nd, you're in nice shape. If you can rehab Tannehill and deal him, that works nicely. If your draftee doesn't pan out, you still have Tannehill to fall back on.

But the fins won't deal him; they're too heavily invested in him at this point.

You make it seem like Tannehill is on the 2-9 Jags like he's Blake Bortles regressing.

Tannehill is on a 6 game win streak, has his team in the playoff hunt and he has like a 7:1 TD:INT ratio his last 3 games. If Alex Smith had the kind of ratio in a streak of games this place would be doing backflips and rejoicing.

They went to a more traditional offense with Ajayi, and Tunsil has been keeping him upright this season, and Adam Gase has done wonders for him unlike that inept coach he had to start his career.

They probably won't win anything but if they get into the playoffs Tannehill has more than done his job/had a nice season throwing to a bunch of bums + Jarvis Landry.

threebag · 12-01-2016, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rico

Did you see the game?

27-21 Titans.

rico · 12-01-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

27-21 Titans.

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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