Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 103

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

**SAUTO** · 12-20-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Nobody is depending on it.

...Except Smith bashers.

Stevie, I love you man, but you are crazy lately.

Sorry. I love you still, crazy brings out the best in me

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-20-2016, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Nobody is depending on it.

...Except Smith supporters.

If "team sport"-team carries Alex from W to W, bailing his ass out, the only reward is further spouting of the ridiculous "all he does is win"-mantra from the Alex Smith Piss-Puddle Fan Club.

No one wants that.

GloryDayz · 12-20-2016, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Trevor Semen, a 7th round draft pick in his first year starting, has scored 1 more TD than Alex in the same amount of games.

He makes 3% of what Alex does

Ouch...

**New World Order** · 12-20-2016, 11:04 PM

But how is Alex at setting up the punter?

Simply Red · 12-20-2016, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Stevie, I love you man, but you are crazy lately.

Sorry. I love you still, crazy brings out the best in me

Molitoth · 12-21-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Especially the W/L column.

Every Alex fan just loves reverting to a TEAM stat in their rebuttals, that should be weighted more towards defense and special teams points.

Out of all the fans that have witnessed this scenario before, you have done it up front and personal. I have to admit you have some massive gonads to keep taking the abuse this franchise feeds you year after year.

You are in LALA land man, just like you were with Matt Cassel and company.

Because, Chiefs.

Sandy Vagina · 12-21-2016, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Every Alex fan just loves reverting to a TEAM stat

To be fair, name a TEAM stat that matters more than winning. ALL of team's fans should care most about winning, no?

Can and has been said that wins mean nothing if no SB, but it takes enough wins just to get that SB chance, no?

We ALL want to win pretty, and have the #1 "ranked" offense in every stat. Yes, the stats are underwhelming... but pale in significance to wins, right?

All of that said.. and I genuinely mean this.. if they feel they can do better with some other QB, I welcome it. Alex Smith has simply not been impressive much this season. Maybe few or no QBs would be with all of the issues around him.. but I'm at a point where I am fine with finding out with someone else. At the very least, the level of CP hate for the next poor bastard at QB won't be worse or even near the level it is now. Win or lose, at least that much would be a nice silver lining.

Molitoth · 12-21-2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

To be fair, name a TEAM stat that matters more than winning. ALL of team's fans should care most about winning, no?

You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

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Let me break this down:

Say you own a business and have 10 employees:

9 Employees bust their ass everyday to make your business successful.
The last employee, (that you are paying the most money) continues to do the job wrong, sit on his ass, and bring your business a bad reputation.

BUT... your business is very profitable. SO ALL YOUR SHIT EMPLOYEE DOES IS WIN.

How is this hard to understand?

Edit:
1 Caveat to this whole scenario would be Andy Reid's role, and if he is the boss that is forcing his employee to suck at his job.
I still can't figure out who is to blame, so I will continue to be critical of both.

rico · 12-21-2016, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth

You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

----

Let me break this down:

Say you own a business and have 10 employees:

9 Employees bust their ass everyday to make your business successful.
The last employee, (that you are paying the most money) continues to do the job wrong, sit on his ass, and bring your business a bad reputation.

BUT... your business is very profitable. SO ALL YOUR SHIT EMPLOYEE DOES IS WIN.

How is this hard to understand?

rico · 12-21-2016, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

To be fair, name a TEAM stat that matters more than winning. ALL of team's fans should care most about winning, no?

Can and has been said that wins mean nothing if no SB, but it takes enough wins just to get that SB chance, no?

We ALL want to win pretty, and have the #1 "ranked" offense in every stat. Yes, the stats are underwhelming... but pale in significance to wins, right?

All of that said.. and I genuinely mean this.. if they feel they can do better with some other QB, I welcome it. Alex Smith has simply not been impressive much this season. Maybe few or no QBs would be with all of the issues around him.. but I'm at a point where I am fine with finding out with someone else. At the very least, the level of CP hate for the next poor bastard at QB won't be worse or even near the level it is now. Win or lose, at least that much would be a nice silver lining.

What is the picture you have in your head of how this board used to talk about Matt Cassel? Honest question. Do you seriously believe that the CP hate for a QB can't get any worse?

Dude...it was 2-3 times as bad in the Cassel era... Did you know that?

Sandy Vagina · 12-21-2016, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth

How is this hard to understand?

Must be really hard to understand for professional coaches then. Andy, damn you, don't you understand?!?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth

You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

You don't get to play this game. You lost this privilege when you use general yardage, TD, and team yard totals to criticize one player (QB). They are ALL team stats... derived from their HC's philosophy.

It's football. It is ALL team results.

ChiefsLV · 12-21-2016, 09:45 AM

I can't watch another season pissed away with Alex Smith at the helm. Give me someone who at least gives us hope of improving at the most important position on offense.

**Baby Lee** · 12-21-2016, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth

You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

----

Let me break this down:

Say you own a business and have 10 employees:

9 Employees bust their ass everyday to make your business successful.
The last employee, (that you are paying the most money) continues to do the job wrong, sit on his ass, and bring your business a bad reputation.

BUT... your business is very profitable. SO ALL YOUR SHIT EMPLOYEE DOES IS WIN.

How is this hard to understand?

Edit:
1 Caveat to this whole scenario would be Andy Reid's role, and if he is the boss that is forcing his employee to suck at his job.
I still can't figure out who is to blame, so I will continue to be critical of both.

Truth be told, Alex weighs little in the calculus for me.

He's proven he can win. He's proven he can come back [Chargers, Broncos]. He's proven he can ball out in the playoffs [Colts].

Does he do it all the time? No. But if he CAN, yet he DOESN'T, it's not an ironclad conclusion that he CAN, except when he alone CAN'T.

The bulk of the calculus after judging Alex capable shifts to trusting Andy and Dorsey to both keep frosty on roster evaluation and keep vigilant on new talent acquisition.

If Dorsey and Andy still have faith, I'm rolling with them. If they target a QB, wherever they target, be it a blockbuster trade, a later draft steal or even betting the farm on a blue chipper. I'll trust that as well.

As it stand now, Alex is not 'the' problem. Those who try to single out scapegoats in a team game are simpletons.

And all, and I mean ALL, the talk about the Hunts only want 'mediocrity' and are actively thwarting an express need, voiced by Andy/Dorsey and disregarded, for a better QB out of fear or cheapness is reeruned bullshit.

Molitoth · 12-21-2016, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And all, and I mean ALL, the talk about the Hunts only want 'mediocrity' and are actively thwarting an express need, voiced by Andy/Dorsey and disregarded, for a better QB out of fear or cheapness is reeruned bullshit.

I can back you on that.

Molitoth · 12-21-2016, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Truth be told, Alex weighs little in the calculus for me.

He's proven he can win. He's proven he can come back [Chargers, Broncos]. He's proven he can ball out in the playoffs [Colts].

This is why he is so freaking frustrating.

Does he do it all the time? No. But if he CAN, yet he DOESN'T, it's not an ironclad conclusion that he CAN, except when he alone CAN'T.

The bulk of the calculus after judging Alex capable shifts to trusting Andy and Dorsey to both keep frosty on roster evaluation and keep vigilant on new talent acquisition.

If Dorsey and Andy still have faith, I'm rolling with them. If they target a QB, wherever they target, be it a blockbuster trade, a later draft steal or even betting the farm on a blue chipper. I'll trust that as well.

This franchises trust and ego with Cassel, Grbac, Bono, Huard, Etc.. has ruined it for me. They have gotten it wrong WAY too many times and continue to give a super long leash to the most important position in sports. Where is the strive for excellence here?

As it stand now, Alex is not 'the' problem. Those who try to single out scapegoats in a team game are simpletons.

Andy Reid is the root of the problem, but Alex Smith is the tree that's growing out of the ground.

In red

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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